City of Dallas tells Delta it can no longer fly out of Love Field

[WorldTraveler]

for all of the access DL provides me, they certainly don't think so.

since the benefits come from them, not you or anyone on here, I'll follow their lead.

 

[Kev3188]

and yet I enjoy a wealth of benefits and access that is strikingly identical to what active DL employees receive.

Not unless you're working from a DL-owned computer you don't...

 

[jcw]

Do DL allows non-employees unfettered access to highly confidential information - if that is the case I would be very concerned about their information security practices

 

[WorldTraveler]

Do DL allows non-employees unfettered access to highly confidential information - if that is the case I would be very concerned about their information security practices

nope... but they don't also allow all employees unfettered access to confidential information. Access is granted to employees based on their work area and position.
 

Not unless you're working from a DL-owned computer you don't...

...and employees don't have unlimited access to even what they are authorized if they are not on a DL computer on the DL network.

IOW, my statement above is correct.

funny that we are now on this data access/security topic.... perhaps a diversion from the fact that DL is and will be at DAL?

the issue of DL at DAL has certainly consumed plenty of space on this forum in 2014.

thanks for keeping the thread active so we can all see how wrong the first posts in it were - and are.

 

[jcw]

that's rich - saying it s a diversion tactic - it isn't - it's just concerning that a non-employee is on this site claiming access to all kinds of confidential information that should not be granted to non-employees - it's rather alarming

 

[Kev3188]

Fear not; access to most all operational and/or performance data/telemetry is restricted...unless one is using an actual DL computer.
 
As for whether or not DL will serve DAL post 06. Jan. 2015, who knows? My guess is yes, but I'm still waiting to see the tow on/tow offs + :15-20 minute turns WT suggested would happen.

 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Perhaps you can post the evidence of where I sad 15 or 20 minute turns

And where did I say I accessed operational data via widgetnet?

And are you saying that not even active employees can access operations data from home?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Fear not; access to most all operational and/or performance data/telemetry is restricted...unless one is using an actual DL computer.

I am sure any active employee, authorized a VPN account, can access inside the Delta firewall and its operational IT systems as long as they have the properly configured software and hardware at home.

That is the way people can telework (or work off hours from home when the need arises). Many can now access very secure networks using a VPN with smart credentials and 2 factor token. Most large (and many small tech's) companies/firms now have that technology and have for years. I expect Delta has the same. The VPN is great, but it also a curse to us workaholics.

I agree with your assessment of Delta at DAL Kev. I think they will get some kind of sub-lease. I know they will not get what they originally wanted or planned for. They will simply maintian a small presence.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL has had VPN technology for years.

DL also simply wanted to be at DAL to compete in the key markets that are served by other carriers.

DL wanted to include LGA and LAX as well as ATL, DTW, and MSP but WN chose not to serve DTW or MSP after saying they would if they got the two gates so ATL is the only market that serves multiple carriers from both airports.

and as 1/7 approaches, it is apparent that DL was correct in its position that it had the right to insist on being accommodated at DAL and other parties apparently came to realize that as well.

 

[Kev3188]

I am sure any active employee, authorized a VPN account, can access inside the Delta firewall and its operational IT systems as long as they have the properly configured software and hardware at home.

Absolutely correct, but the idea that someone who has separated from the company will have "strikingly identical" access to the same info an actual employee does is still just silly.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

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[WorldTraveler]

and yet you and others have spent years trying to argue that I don't know what I am talking about regarding key strategic issues with DL and yet my track record of knowing what they are going to do and watching their success has been very strong.
specific to this topic, I have stood against a host of people on this forum - the majority who have weighed in - that DL would remain at DAL and would serve its key hubs alongside any other carrier that would serve those same hubs from DAL.

that has been exactly what has happened. Unless something changes in the next week or so, that will continue to be the case. DL wanted the opportunity to grow in the Dallas metroplex via DAL but was willing to settle for protecting its key markets from DAL. WN indicated it would serve MSP and DTW but backed off. ATL remains the only major DL hub market that is served from DAL and DL is and will be there.

If you and others didn't spend quite as much effort trying to argue that I don't know what I was talking about, then maybe I wouldn't have to spend as much effort proving that I do.

Absolutely correct, but the idea that someone who has separated from the company will have "strikingly identical" access to the same info an actual employee does is still just silly.

I didn't say that I had identical access to an active employee, now did I?

I did say that DL's standards for remote access via VPN's does not allow active employees access to the detailed, proprietary info even for active employees except via a VPN which the vast majority of frontline employees do not have.

 

[Kev3188]

I didn't say that I had identical access to an active employee, now did I?

Actually you did. "Strikingly identical," was the term you used.

You gonna wring another half dozen posts out of explaining what you really meant and/or how none of us can "grasp" the intent of your posts?

 

[eolesen]

It's a bit silly to even be going down this road, but does anyone really believe that DL's interpretation of SEC guidelines on inside information comes even close to allowing retirees access to sensitive or proprietary information?...

My friends in CorpComm at various airlines and companies treat anything released to employees or retirees (be it in a letter, email, webpage, or conveyed verbally in an engagement session) on the same level of confidentiality as would be given a press release, because it's inevitable that someone's going to post it to the internet...

For the most part, if the investment community doesn't have access to it, separated and retired employees shouldn't have access to it. Period.

Actually you did. "Strikingly identical," was the term you used.

"Strikingly identical" translated for the common folk = it's just a facade.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Actually you did. "Strikingly identical," was the term you used.

You gonna wring another half dozen posts out of explaining what you really meant and/or how none of us can "grasp" the intent of your posts?

 
then you should be able to tell me what you have access to as an active employee on a remote basis than what a retiree has on the same basis.

go ahead.

and while you make a production about internal access, you fail to acknowledge that most of the detailed information about airlines becomes public knowledge at some point anyway.

operational performance, market share, and revenue information ALL become public information at some point.

Some of us know where to find that information via public channels while many airline employees never will find out what is available or where to find it.

 

It's a bit silly to even be going down this road, but does anyone really believe that DL's interpretation of SEC guidelines on inside information comes even close to allowing retirees access to sensitive or proprietary information?...

My friends in CorpComm at various airlines and companies treat anything released to employees or retirees (be it in a letter, email, webpage, or conveyed verbally in an engagement session) on the same level of confidentiality as would be given a press release, because it's inevitable that someone's going to post it to the internet...

For the most part, if the investment community doesn't have access to it, separated and retired employees shouldn't have access to it. Period.

then you should realize that the vast majority of employees at ANY company do not have access to sensitive or proprietary information even on the job.

Kev can tell you the load on as many flights as he bothers to post today but he has no more access to any of the confidential, strategic information than I do.

and companies consider information released to employees as public information. There is nothing proprietary about what DL releases to its entire workforce.

Sensitive, proprietary information is known by a relative handful of employees and is not available to the larger employee workforce. And eventually most of that information will become public knowledge at some point.

and, again, all of the hoopla on data information is merely an attempt to divert from the reality that we are now well past a year when the DOJ provided access to VX at DAL, I said that DL would be there, and we are now at the point when dozens of people including the OP, indicated that DL would not remain at DAL.

In fact, despite not having access to DL's proprietary information for many years, I have a far better idea of what DL is doing and is going to do than those who post here acting as if they have some privileged position.

IN fact, those who have argued the loudest that I don't have access and they have it have been the ones who have been most wrong about what is actually going on at DL, including access to DAL.