City of Dallas tells Delta it can no longer fly out of Love Field

[robbedagain]

Swamt shld dl not be able to fly out after jan 6 theyll take major hits on losses or transfer it to nearby DFW naturally wt just doesnt wanna hear those facts or he just simply cannot Grasp crap

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, DL won't take major losses. DAL will be a city with 660 seats per day which ranks quite far down the list of DL cities.

DL is fighting to get into DAL out of principle and because DL intends to protect its key ATL market.

And there is no indication other than the hopes of several aviation forums people that DL will fail.

I'm not sure why you keep harping on flights other than to ATL, swamt. DL pulled its schedule for the rest of its destinations months ago.

Even now, DL is selling 6 flights/day. The reason why they pushed for compensation is because of the notice to vacate DAL which came within weeks of when DL intended to expand its service. I can absolutely assure you that DL will be in court if a resolution is not found earlier than two weeks before the end of the current sublease.

 

[swamt]

Swamt shld dl not be able to fly out after jan 6 theyll take major hits on losses or transfer it to nearby DFW naturally wt just doesnt wanna hear those facts or he just simply cannot Grasp crap

Who really knows.  Delta could end up making some kind of deal with someone to stay, but, it doesn't look like it will happen.  SWA needs more gates, United has increased it's flying schedule post W/A.  Virgin is fully utilizing its gates, and of course SWA is.  It looks to me that there will be no room for Delta at LF, but they can easily move all their flights over to DFW without a hick-up...

 

[robbedagain]

I agree w u swamt .

 

[WorldTraveler]

Who really knows.  Delta could end up making some kind of deal with someone to stay, but, it doesn't look like it will happen.  SWA needs more gates, United has increased it's flying schedule post W/A.  Virgin is fully utilizing its gates, and of course SWA is.  It looks to me that there will be no room for Delta at LF, but they can easily move all their flights over to DFW without a hick-up...

you miss the point. again.

it is not WN's choice.

it is federal law. DL isn't asking for charity or to use a friend's car for the weekend.

DL is asking for what the law requires.

WN, UA, and VX along with DAL can look at each other all they want but it will be their collective responsibility to figure out how to do what they are legally required to do.

ultimately, the ball falls in DAL's court as the airport operator - but DAL will have to turn to the airlines.

it's what is legally required...whether DAL wrote their leases to reflect that requirement is something they will now have to resolve

and if a judge agrees that having one carrier dominate 80% of the gates at one airport is NO justification for telling other carriers to use another airport, then WN will be SOL.

given that there isn't another airport in the country where carriers are told to "go somewhere else" you can bet the legality of that arrangement will be challenged.

 

[eolesen]

AA didn't sell its gates - it got kicked out by the feds.

 
You're right about the first part --- AA didn't sell its gates. But they didn't got kicked out.

AA is still the primary leaseholder, and is subleasing its gates to VX.

And, as I have pointed out no less than a dozen times, the Consent Agreement with the DOJ expires before AA's lease does. It is entirely possible that AA could cancel VX's sublease (assuming they're still operating).

 

I said mainline jet carriers. UA is not operating mainline equipment at DAL.

I find it so curious how you flip-flop on the issue of branded service.

When DL's using RJ's to compete, you never make the differentiation, yet when someone else does it you find it necessary to make the differentiation.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I have never said that AA will NEVER return to DAL. I agree with you that AA could return, and I hope they do.

As I have noted about a million times, I believe in free markets. I think WN got an enormously great deal in keeping AA out of DAL for 10 years when 10 months should have been more than enough but nonetheless AA agreed to the 10 year term.

DL agreed to nothing nor is there any evidence that any other carrier agreed to limit or sign away its ability to serve DAL other than when ALL carriers were supposed to move to DFW.

Correct me if I am wrong, but there is no language anywhere that says that any carrier cannot serve DAL other than the 10 year term which AA agreed to.

as to the mainline jet carrier distinction, the only purpose is to note than UA is using 50 seat RJs and yet using its gates more than twice as long as DL will use with 6 mainline flights - on 717s.

 

[swamt]

 
You're right about the first part --- AA didn't sell its gates. But they didn't got kicked out.

AA is still the primary leaseholder, and is subleasing its gates to VX.

And, as I have pointed out no less than a dozen times, the Consent Agreement with the DOJ expires before AA's lease does. It is entirely possible that AA could cancel VX's sublease (assuming they're still operating).

 

I find it so curious how you flip-flop on the issue of branded service.

When DL's using RJ's to compete, you never make the differentiation, yet when someone else does it you find it necessary to make the differentiation.

And if I remember correctly (and only by memory) I think AA can very well come back to LF after a certain amount of time.  What that time is I do not remember, 1 maybe 2 years.  E I could be wrong on this, but I do remember telling myself that after some time AA could very well get back in at LF. Admitting to being lazy for now and not looking it up right now...

 

[WorldTraveler]

10 years. the term of the DOJ's antitrust order.

 

[swamt]

BTW WT, what is happening after the date of 1-6-15 as far as Delta is concerned at LF DAL?  Haven't heard anything as of late.  It is very quiet on Delta's end of things, and why is that??  Delta will very well be gone at LF after 1-6-15...

 

[metopower]

It's out of DL hands. It's up to the courts if WN and DAL do not acconadate them. Jan. is a long way off.Time will tell.

 

[swamt]

It's out of DL hands. It's up to the courts if WN and DAL do not acconadate them. Jan. is a long way off.Time will tell.

It is not up to the courts.  Delta has never filed a suit as WT has promised.  No courts are involved, as of yet.  SWA was simply being nice and "allowed" Delta to remain "temporarily" for a limited time until 1-6-15 when SWA will fully use the gate that they are now leasing to Delta. But you are correct that it is out of DL's hands...

 

[WorldTraveler]

you still struggle with the English language.
 
I said DL WOULD file suit IF it could not gain access.
 
since they have achieved what the want outside of the courts, they have no reason to file.
 
don't kid yourself that they won't do so if necessary.

 

[robbedagain]

WRONG WT  you did say they wld FILE   just as you said they wld in the US/AA merger   you cannot either grasp facts or you cant grasp anything you actually write on here

 

[WorldTraveler]

I said WOULD and IF.

you can't even fully write out the correct verbs.

DL is at DAL.