Bush agrees that a Iraq time table is needed.

[local 12 proud]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts

 

[local 12 proud]

The secret plan of the Democratic party...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f_K0jFvF60...ted&search=

 

[KCFlyer]

The secret plan of the Democratic party...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f_K0jFvF60...ted&search=

Please explain again why we are in Iraq when not a single Iraqi was involved in the attacks portrayed in the opening of this video??? The beauty of Bush is that he brings out the redneck in all the good patriots. Saddam may not have attacked us, but he was Arab, and the attackers on 9/11 were Arabs...so the link is clear. I guess.

 

[delldude]

Please explain again why we are in Iraq when not a single Iraqi was involved in the attacks portrayed in the opening of this video??? The beauty of Bush is that he brings out the redneck in all the good patriots. Saddam may not have attacked us, but he was Arab, and the attackers on 9/11 were Arabs...so the link is clear. I guess.

How many times I got to tell ya?

Friggin' WMD's....

 

[UAL_TECH]

I agree with this. One reason we see so damn many "support our troops" ribbons on cars is because 99% of the American people sport them because they are gladder than hell that it's somebody ELSE's kid over there and not their own.

This war is the first one where the American people were not asked to sacrifice in some manner. Be it cutting back on gas, food, or other items, or sending their kids to the battlefield. We were asked to shop instead. If there were a draft...would we have been so gung ho to shift our attention from Osama to liberating Iraq? If I had a kid of age to serve, and they were called to fight those that attacked us - I would proudly watch them do their "duty". However, if they did that and then our leader unilaterally decided to liberate the Iraqi people by going after a guy who did NOTHING to the United States....then I'd pack their bags and buy their ticket to Canada.

We're in there now, and there really isn't any good way to get out. But I think that if Bush truly felt that the war he got us into is a "just war"....if he really feels that this is a global war on terrorism, then he'd move to have the draft reinstated and allow it to be fought with the manpower it needed, rather than going in as if it were just a playground bully beating up another bully. America is a great country...but we are in a war where the only Americans being asked to sacrifice anything are the "volunteer army" and their families. That shouldn't be the case.

Very well stated
Thanks for verbalizing my sentiments!

Take Care,
B) UT

 

[UAL_TECH]

Not sure I agree. Military might is not the only thing that wins a war. Yes it is needed in most case but it is not the sole determining factor.

We did go in initially full tilt. Remember “Shock and Awe� The problem is military might does not do well against sheer determination. Look at the Jewish resistance with the nazi’s. Look at Hammas and Israel. In the case of the Jews in WWII they were a small, poorly armed group going up against a huge military machine. For their size they were able to inflict huge damage. Moral of the story … never every under estimate the ability of determination and desperation. They are very powerful motivators. Yes the Jews were crushed but that was more for the lack of arms and people than for the ability of the nazi’s. Besides, the tactics used by the nazi would never be accepted today if used by a “civilized†society.

The reason that Bush I was able to succeed where his son is failing miserably is because Bush I was able to get a coalition together and only fought to do what was needed and agreed upon. That was to liberate Kuwait. Cheney did not get a coalition together. He went at it essentially alone. No one in the ME supports him and whether or not you like the players in the ME or not, they are needed if this is going to have any chance at working (I do not think it will).

You can argue till the cows come home that Bush I should have taken out Sadam when given he chance but whether it be because he (or his advisors knew it was coming) or just blind luck, he did not. I thought I remembered reading an article that implied that Bush I told his son not to do it but I guess even at that level of power, sons do not listen to their parents.

I have always wondered what would have happened had Cheney et al had children who had to serve on the front line with the rest of the boys and girls we send. I cannot help but think that we would not be having this discussion because I seriously doubt that Bush would send his girls off to fight.

And now with Gates not on board with the program that Cheney orchestrated I cannot help but dread the future of this fiasco.

We went into Iraq with ‘what we had’, not with what was needed. If we would have attacked ‘full throttle’ with some politicians’ kids leading the charge (or at least being in the freaking military) maybe the decisions at the upper level would have been more futuristic and thoughtful. The main ‘reason’ for us not being successful in Iraq is because we didn’t have the boots on the ground that were/are needed. Not necessarily the ‘killing’ combat soldier, but a force/presence that could overwhelm insurgents and not only keep them in check, but take them out quickly.

WWI and WWII was not won by ‘negotiations’’ but by an overwhelming force that kicked their a$$ (with more mercy than they showed us). Until we can realize this concept, our presence as a power ‘in any country’ is futile. As the Vietnam era has demoralized our citizens with our capitulation, the loosing of this war will disenfranchise what little ‘patriotism’ that is left.

I refuse to die like an Eloy.
You may be satisfied with it, but I ‘never’ will!!!

He!!, even the French learned that much…

B) UT

 

[Garfield1966]

WWI and WWII was not won by ‘negotiations’’ but by an overwhelming force that kicked their a$$ (with more mercy than they showed us).

Yes it was won by force but that "force" was not just the US standing alone (we could never have pulled it off alone). Russia, England, serveral smaller countries and the US through everything they had at Germany, Italy and Japan. Point being, we had a coalition.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Yes it was won by force but that "force" was not just the US standing alone (we could never have pulled it off alone). Russia, England, serveral smaller countries and the US through everything they had at Germany, Italy and Japan. Point being, we had a coalition.

But Iraq is/was never Germany.
We had a coalition as well, did you forget that?

B) UT

 

[UAL_TECH]

But Iraq is/was never Germany.
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Certainly not a Japan.
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We had a coalition as well, did you forget that?

B) UT

 

[delldude]

Please explain again why we are in Iraq when not a single Iraqi was involved in the attacks portrayed in the opening of this video??? I guess.

I read something about one reason we went in...and it probably would have been a hard sell here,FWIW....it was to keep the wrong group(ie:terrorists,Iran,AlQaida,etc)from getting their paws on those oil wells and funding a worldwide network with those monies....makes sense,don't know if Ma and Pa would have wanted to send their boys there though specifically for that reason alone...

Point being, we had a coalition.

SO most of the countries pussy footed around committment this time....now what do you do?

 

[delldude]

As for attacks on US soil, as far as I am concerned it is not a matter of “ifâ€￾ but “whenâ€￾ they will happen. Who is in office is immaterial IMO.

Tried

 

[local 12 proud]

Please explain again why we are in Iraq when not a single Iraqi was involved in the attacks portrayed in the opening of this video???

Who said Iraq was involved with 9/11?

This is why we went to Iraq... :blink:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/fe...ml?id=110008568

http://www.alphapatriot.com/home/archives/...dam_had_wmd.php

So its a redneck Thang being a good patriot?

Is'nt this what you really meant to say...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

'We can skin a buck and run a trot line'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg

 

[delldude]

And what of the countless usable weapons which I firmly beieve are buried in the Bekaa valley.

For some strange reason,1.77 metric tons of yellowcake do not count(even though the Iraqis who were stealing/hiding it got very sick) nor do the (old) Arty shells with sarin(like you point out was a component of an attack which largely failed in Jordon)

Sat intel supports?

Israeli view

Suspected WMD convoys were spotted by US spy satellites, and the contents were confirmed to be WMDs by Syrian defectors (who located where they were stored—under Syrian air force bases).

Through the use of satellites, electronic monitoring and human intelligence, the intelligence community has determined that much, if not all, of Iraq's biological and chemical weapons assets are being protected by Syria, with Iranian help, in the Bekaa Valley.

I don't believe you'll convince el Gato nor the Chief.....

 

[KCFlyer]

Who said Iraq was involved with 9/11?

This is why we went to Iraq... :blink:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/fe...ml?id=110008568

http://www.alphapatriot.com/home/archives/...dam_had_wmd.php

So its a redneck Thang being a good patriot?

Is'nt this what you really meant to say...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

'We can skin a buck and run a trot line'

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...p;search=Search

Seems to me that the weapons that caused mass destruction on our shores were boxcutters and boeings.

Also...you must not remember Vietnam all that well. There weren't that many college grads (Bush, Cheney, et.al) serving over there...and if we discover that our volunteer army is too stretched to conduct this "global war on terror", then what Kerry said might prove to be right on the mark...if you don't get deferments like our commamder and vice commander did...you'll end up in Iraq. And a question...here in Kansas, a small town was wiped off the map by a tornado. Most of the Kansas National Guardand their equipment are deployed in Iraq. How come Bush bravely served in the National Guard when the regular Army was fighting in Vietnam???

 

[Garfield1966]

But Iraq is/was never Germany.
We had a coalition as well, did you forget that?

B) UT

Iraq I yes, Iraq 2 not so much.