Bring Back Rakesh

[PITbull]

US,

I am not saying we need Gangwal back. I am just defending what I know to be true. He's not coming back. So, when I hear folks place blame who really don't know or never worked with him or for U, then I need to speak about it.

I can say that Gangwal was here in the best of times also. And we all benefited from those times, no denying and we shouldn't forget. Because Gangwal never participated in stripping employees of everything to turn a dime, does not make him a weak or inept CEO. Keep in mind, he too, had Board members who called the shots. He implemented what the Baord agreed to and presented.

What we don't need here is the type of present management that is here. This management states they have vision, but in action, all we do is run from the competition. Management continues to violate the contracts, discipline folks to the point of terminations on full speed. And, disregard our customers by not focusing on quality of service, specifically when irregular operations occur, which is probably daily somewhere. Face the facts, we do not have a management team on any level that inspires their employees by servicing the employees who then, in return, service the customers. It all should go hand in hand and flow with the kind of synergistic team work that many corporations have, when the right folks are in place.

Any one can have a "plan" or a so called vision of success. In business, however, You need the right folks in the right seat to drive the bus in the right direction.

As an employee of U, I don't know what direction we are going. No clue.

 

[USFlyer]

What we don't need here is the type of present management that is here. This management states they have vision, but in action, all we do is run from the competition. Management continues to violate the contracts, discipline folks to the point of terminations on full speed. And, disregard our customers by not focusing on quality of service, specifically when irregular operations occur, which is probably daily somewhere. Face the facts, we do not have a management team on any level that inspires their employees by servicing the employees who then, in return, service the customers. It all should go hand in hand and flow with the kind of synergistic team work that many corporations have, when the right folks are in place.

On this we can agree. As I said a few posts ago, Siegel and his team got U thru Chapter 11. Where U goes from here is anyone's guess.

 

[PITbull]

USflyer,

I love ya, but really, Labor played a big part in pulling U out of Chapter 11. It was our collective sacrificing and "will" to succeeed. Without both concessions, according to managments lips moving, their could be no stake holder investment monies or BK DIP financing, no qualifying for the ATSB loan, and the company would surely liquidate. Majority of emplolyees believed this, and voted in even more concessions with contract language that was not clear and sacrificed themselves as well knowing many more employees would perish.


WE HAVE SAVED THE COMPANY AS LABOR THROUGH LONGEVITY, BECAUSE WE ARE THE EMPLOYEES WHO BUILT THIS FRANCHISE, AS WELL AS THE SHARE HOLDERS, STAKE HOLDERS AND BOARD MEMBERS OF USAIRWAYS CORPORATION.

In short...."WE as LABOR are the company". No one will ignore us.

 

[Twicebaked]

Then walk. Take your skills and experience and walk. I'm in the process of doing just that with my employer. I've had it and am taking my degree, experience and skillset elsewhere. It's really not that hard finding a job these days if you are "good" -- it just takes time.

Many of our employees have been with the company for 20 or more years with NO degree to fall back on. They thought the airline would provide them with a good retirement.......THEY GOT SCREWED.

I am glad you are leaving your company...whoopi sh##!!!!!

 

[PITbull]

Bob,

Siegel has a JOB TODAY, BECAUSE WE SAVED HIS JOB, OUR JOBS AND HIS WHOLE TEAM, WHO HAVE LOST NO JOB.

Please reread the post above that I wrote to USflyer.....

Who saved the company? Who lost all their stock as well as giving major concessions? Siegel was here less than a year. He came here with his plan to bust contracts and become a millionaire. Period. And he won't leave until he is one off this company.

If you think not, well, your a PAX, I will spare you the Mantra and give you that respect.

 

[Twicebaked]

Understand this! Dave will not treat you or any other group well until it becomes sound business to do so.

Seriously a few fries short of a "Happy Meal".

That thinking is just not even worth commenting on.

 

[PITbull]

BOB,

I think you were quoting me above, but sounds like you were talking to twice baked. I have never ever tried to win you over. You and I parted company on our polarized philosophies, eons ago. Remeber, those were your words.

What if she didn't get that Child support? Could she make it then with 3 kids and working and managing Wendy's? What if her ex was a dead beat no where to be found? Many folks in that scenerio you do know.

What you didn't mention is that your girl friend has YOU. And I'm sure as I'm sitting here, she wants for nothing, nor her kids when your around.

MAA will be hiring. If you think that is a "step up" from where she is with 3 children to support, I am sure you can pull some strings. But remember, if she takes such a job, especially leaving home, she will have to incorporate "day care" an night care as well. Just like our f/as do with such great "livable wages".

I too grow weary, all the time with folks who have this notion that the job is a "cake walk" that takes no skills and has us living off the "fat of the land" with cash to burn. I have always stated that folks who work everyday who put years into their work or job, deserve in time a respectable wage and respectable existence in America. If your girlfriend feels life is grand, and her 3 children are never hungry, and she has enough to retire on than that is respectable. If she doesn't and lets life go by without ever once protesting, then her fate will be always just making it and never trying to improve her condition.But, if she feels deep down it is not cutting it...THAN DAMN IT...LET HER PROTEST AND UNIONIZE FREGGIN WENDYS! And if I were working there, Wendys would be UNION!

PS: Your statment: "That's family as in Mommy & Daddy work and on average earn LESS than an IAM Mechanic! And that's not counting the Defined benefit pension. Did you know the average retiree has $7,000.00 saved towards retirement?"
For that very statment above should be reason enough to convince you that having a defined pension is better than any mommy & daddy savings for retirment or 401K, and that every employee in the work force should strive for and protect a Defined pension.

 

[pitguy]

PineyBob,

I notice you compare the average family's income and that of a Mechanic working here. Through your post I sense some sort of tension. You of all people should know that an airline Mechanic does not and should not make what an average family does. Also just for your information the Mechanics here are the lowest paid in the industry compared to other ‘like’ airlines. It was recently posted on this very board in reference to an article printed in the Wall Street Journal. I feel saddened about you G/F's financial situation and do understand that it is rough for a single parent in a tight employment compensation situation. Although Wendy's hires unskilled people and gives them modest skills it generally is a job that is not meant to be a career except for a "few" managers". Unless she has the ability to climbing to the District Manager position she is likely going to lead of life of hard work for starvation wages. Best of luck to her though.

P.S.- I must admit I still do not understand your high level of interest in this forum.

 

[Twicebaked]

I have never ever tried to win you over. You and I parted company on our polarized philosophies, eons ago. Remeber, those were your words.


MAA will be hiring. If you think that is a "step up" from where she is with 3 children to support, I am sure you can pull some strings. But remember, if she takes such a job, especially leaving home, she will have to incorporate "day care" an night care as well. Just like our f/as do with such great "livable wages".

You are the greatest PitBull!!!!!
You tell it like you see it. NO, like we ALL see it.
Let's talk!!!

 

[MrAeroMan]

PineyBob,

I notice you compare the average family's income and that of a Mechanic working here. Through your post I sense some sort of tension. You of all people should know that an airline Mechanic does not and should not make what an average family does. Also just for your information the Mechanics here are the lowest paid in the industry compared to other ‘like’ airlines. It was recently posted on this very board in reference to an article printed in the Wall Street Journal.

P.S.- I must admit I still do not understand your high level of interest in this forum.

What airlines would you consider "like" compared to U?

 

[LavMan]

Bob, do you know that rampers, mechanics and cleaners are the second highest rate of injury, only farming being higher?

The rampers earn their money in those bag bins, have you ever loaded or unload planes? Not as easy as you think.

And as far as utility, have you ever hung from the hangar cieling with a harness buffing the top of 767, or inside the fuel tank or hell hole cleaning?

Do you deal with biohazards? Ever been stuck by a needle left in a seat pocket?

I dont think we need a reality check, I think you need to walk a mile in someone's shoes before you can criticize what they do.

 

[pitguy]

Thanks Bob for the kind reply to my note.

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MrAeroMan in reference to "like" airlines I was referring to the aforementioned article that listed about 8 to 10 of the U.S. major carriers. As you may know there are newspapers and then there is the W.S.J.

 

[MrAeroMan]

Bob, do you know that rampers, mechanics and cleaners are the second highest rate of injury, only farming being higher?

The rampers earn their money in those bag bins, have you ever loaded or unload planes? Not as easy as you think.

And as far as utility, have you ever hung from the hangar cieling with a harness buffing the top of 767, or inside the fuel tank or hell hole cleaning?

Do you deal with biohazards? Ever been stuck by a needle left in a seat pocket?

I dont think we need a reality check, I think you need to walk a mile in someone's shoes before you can criticize what they do.

I was a ramper Lav. I'd still be a ramper if I didn't blow out my back loading a full plane.
When Bob says cleaners and rampers need a reality check he speaks volumes. I got mine the hard way and will live with it the rest of my life but in the long run my earning potential has surpassed what I would've had at U had I stayed. After 10 years (3 years of finishing college and 7 in my job) I've finally made more than my last year at U. Looking back it was a blessing to get hurt although I would've chosen a much different path now. I've lived the life as a ramper and now I'm living proof there is life after US Airways. Loading bags is not rocket science and neither is cleaning a plane. I sympathize with the rampers that are stuck as I was in a job that paid too well to quit. Now it appears those same people are getting it again as they've worked too long in that job and feel they're too old to change careers and the pay is far below what they're accustomed to. It's never too late to change careers, never! There will be pain but over the long run the nights of good sleep pay great dividends.

 

[MrAeroMan]

Thanks Bob for the kind reply to my note.

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MrAeroMan in reference to "like" airlines I was referring to the aforementioned article that listed about 8 to 10 of the U.S. major carriers. As you may know there are newspapers and then there is the W.S.J.

Thanks for the reply but there is increasingly becoming a larger and larger divide from the likes of AA, DL, UAL, NW, CO, and SW as compared to US, HP and the other second teir airlines and you can bet when it comes time to negotiate contracts again you will hear that coming from the negotiations.

 

[Twicebaked]

PITbull,

As for unions and you personally fighting for what you think is right, I applaud that. I happen to support keeping the Airbus work in house. I am a free thinker and I don't subscribe to any orthodoxy. if I think you're right I say so, same if I disagree. We are a lot alike in that we believe in things passionately. One of the reasons for my high level of interest is i happen to believe that unions can be a force for social change. My ONLY beef with unions is the modern day version of them.

As someone else stated SOMEWHERE in this thread and MANY MANY times before, why are you in here. What is of such interest to you that you find if necessary to chastise EVERYTHING that others say. Everything that PITBULL/LAVMAN says you have a negative comment. EVERYTHING I say you have a negative comment. I would tell you what I think, but it would only get deleted. WHY WHY WHY are you on here?????????

I heard United's forum REALLY cool. Go check it out and let us know at a much later time.