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Hey Dave, ya really need to ease up on the horse-radish sauce, it's taken over your mind....I am DELETED BY MODERATOR a computer software engineer.
I am also, one of approximately 20 Americans that were ordered by corporate management to train our foreign replacement workers. Our replacement workers are Tata Consulting India employees, holders of congressionally sanctioned H-1b and L-1 work visas.
Siemens brought the Americans into a room and told them that they would be laid off, but first they said: We want you to train your replacements. They held out a carrot for the Americans, stay on and train your replacements then we’ll give you this severance when you leave.
Once Tata employees were on site, they immediately began interviewing us on how to do our jobs.
For the past 19 years I have educated and re-educated myself so I could compete in the ever changing industry of IT. I thought I had done well? Who knew my own government would create replacement programs to put me out of work. I had upgraded my skills from the 80’s COBOL to 4GL, Database design, to the mid 90’s of web development and finally, in the late 90’s, I expanded my skill set to include Enterprise application integration; messaging based technology that enables seamless integration of disparate applications. We were ordered to train our replacements how this new technology works.
As a self-employed contractor; 6 years at Siemens, I was not offered a severance. They just assumed the contractors would go along with the plan. Many ask, why didn’t you just quit? The job market is incredibly bleak. Though, we keep hearing about an economic recovery, working Americans don’t see it. I stayed on because my concern will always be the medical care of our handicapped daughter. I stayed on until I landed a job. I left on my own accord Nov 2002, 20 days before my exit date.
Though my income is much less, I consider myself the lucky American; not so for many of my ex-coworkers. Some spent their 401ks to survive while foreigners live and work in our own backyards. The bottom line is these are highly trained, well-educated Americans that are pushed out of jobs in our own country; all in the quest for cheap labor.
A “Tata†told us they make $3,000 per month. Of that $2,000 is paid as expenses to work in the USA and $1,000 paid in Indian rupees. They get $24,000/year tax free to work in the USA while tax paying Americans go to the unemployment line.
It is my opinion that Tata Consulting has done this so many times they had become complacent, just like a burglar does. They put their entire project documentation on a Siemens shared drive, 500MB/800 documents. They had never run into a “Mike Emmons.†Thinking I was going to help my fellow co-workers I took this information, burned it on a CD and mailed it to my Representative, Senators, DOL Secretary Elaine Chao, BCIS/INS and our DOJ attorney, Anthony Archeval. After the DOJ required 120 days elapsed Anthony wrote me back stating they did not want to pursue the case. He said we had not given them enough evidence. He said “these cases are hard to winâ€. He tried to get us to claim age discrimination. It is not about age, it is discrimination against Americans.
Among those documents are the infamous “Knowledge Transition†documents. That would be documents Tata employees created that describing what Americans trained them. They documented what we were ordered to train them.
This is not about me. It never was. This is about a Congress that has denied opportunities for millions of Americans. Congress continues to spout out that Americans need to get retrained. We’re training our competition to take our jobs. And our Congress allows this because Corporations want cheap labor and Congress wants corporate campaign donations.
I’ve read in the news where Harris Miller has stated Siemens is an isolated case. That is so very far from the truth. Siemens is in the news because I chose to not give up, because I chose to be blackballed from the industry, but I, Mike Emmons, am one proud American that has stood up for millions of Americans being shortchanged by our government’s cheap labor policies.
For the past 18 months I have actively pursued bringing awareness to this gross injustice. The replacement of American workers is epidemic across America. People from all over the country have contacted me, stating virtually the same thing.
I will read these until you tell me to stop. The following are stories and situations that have come to me, describing the use of congressional visas to displace well educated American citizens.
Siemens Shared Services Orlando used the L-1 visa to import Siemens India employees. They ordered their Accounts Payable staff to train the foreign workers then laid off the Americans. Shared Services, AP department is now predominately Indian workers.
JP Morgan Tampa hired Tata Consulting to replace their American employees. As I understand, Tata was thrown out for incompetence; replaced by Congizant, another Indian replacement firm.
NCR Corporation Dayton, Ohio is currently in the process of replacing their American workers. The winner, body shop HCL Technology India.
AT&T Wireless, Bothell, WA and Palm Beach, FL hired body shop Tata Consulting to rid their offices of American workers.
Siemens Energy & Automotive Atlanta, GA hired Infosys India to replace their American workers.
Contacts in Verizon Temple Terrance, FL told me the IT department is now 90% visa holders. The Americans have been pushed out one by one.
In Sept 2003, Dan Rather of CBS reported First Data Corp Coral Springs, FL ordered their employees to train Congizant employees, then the Americans were thrown out on the streets.
When Bank of America Concord, CA employee Kevin Flanagan completed his replacement worker training he was laid off. That day he went to the bank parking lot and committed suicide.
On May 11, 1995 CBS 48 Hours report “Slamming the Door, Denying the Dream†described how AIG Insurance replaced 250 American workers with visa holders. Since May 11, 1995! The replacement of American workers has been going on for well over 8 years.
Per Hartford, Conn. NBC channel 30, Cigna Insurance is replacing hundreds of American workers with Satyam India employees. They reported there are over 20K unemployed Conn. IT workers. DOL reports Conn. has over 70K non-immigrant temporary workers. The CIGNA internal memo stated “in order to drive the replacement of local consultants to Satyam consultants we have put in place a closed loop process to provide Satyam first right of refusal for all consultant requests.†Regarding the 70K workers, that would be H-1b visa holders. No one knows details regarding L-1s because the Freedom of Information Act seems to not apply to L-1s. The BCIS/INS refuses to disclose this information.)
Tata Consulting and WiPro are the winners in North Carolina’s Ciena Corp replacement program.
USAA Insurance San Antonio, TX replaced their American workers. One email states: “A couple years back when our first wave of layoffs started, there were probably fewer than 100 TCS employees. Now we have over 500 and the number grows by the week, if not by the day. We also employ some Indian employees from HCL - about 80 or so. That's about 600 IT jobs that have vanished or will never be created for US citizens.â€
I have been given internal memos from Eaton Corp; they describe how Americans are asked to participate in knowledge transfer to Tata Consulting India employees; knowledge transfer occurring in Cleveland, Ohio.
I have more memos from Cutler-Hammer, Pittsburgh describing the same thing; the memo from Ray Huber, VP Information Technology states “Over the next few days we will be contacting affected individuals within our organization regarding our transition support.â€
On March 10, 2003, because I contacted them, Business Week reported that half of Tata Consulting 5,000 workers are L-1 visa holders. “What's more, L-1s allow employees to remain in the U.S. for up to seven years and can include multiple workers; H-1Bs are issued to individuals, who are limited to six-year stays. There were 384,000 people working in the U.S. on H-1Bs in 2001, the last year available, and at 329,000, nearly as many on L-1s. In more recent news reports Tata will not disclose the quantity of L-1 workers they use.
AT&T Orlando, FL replaced American consultants weeks after the arrival of their replacement workers from India.
Feb 16-19 2003, WKMG CBS Orlando aired “Where did the jobs go?†This 4 day report described the ill effects of H-1b and L-1 visas. The report received more replies than any other report they have ever done, bar none. Fall 2003, it was nominated for an Emmy. If you don’t believe me, contact Terri Spitz 407-521-1305 and ask her.
On Sept 24, 1998 Honorable Representative Dana Rohrabacher of California stated on the House floor:
"There are hundreds of thousands of workers from developing countries, indeed, that are willing to work for less. But the fact that they (the corporations) are importing them will take pressure off people to train our own people or to increase the wages of our people so those people will get their own training. The effect of this bill is to bring down the market wage for our high-tech workers.
It is called supply and demand. That is what we believe in. We Republicans especially are supposed to believe in that. It is not just supposed to work for the benefit of big companies; it is supposed to work for the benefit of all of our people. It will also reduce the incentives for companies to reeducate and retrain employees or unemployed Americans. It will provide an incentive for companies to lay off senior employees before they qualify for retirement or if they need health benefits, which people who get older need. Instead, it will bring on people who are from developing countries who are willing to work for a lot less and are a lot younger,...
To whom are we loyal? Whom do we care about? We are supposed to care about the American people."
I refer to Honorable Rohrabacher as Nostramadus. He hit the nail on the head except one thing and that is the effect of the bill. It would be better stated “The INTENT of this bill is to bring down the market wage for our high-tech workers; the EFFECT has been the replacement of American high-tech workers.
I have received many other emails from victims of L-1 and H-1b visa abuse; victims of body shops like Tata, Infosys, Satyam, WiPro, and HCL. Some of those include Target and Best Buy Minneapolis, Coca-Cola Atlanta, Harris Corp Melbourne, FL, Peoplesoft, Pleasanton, CA, Chevron-Texaco, CA, Lockheed-Martin Colorado Springs, Intel, Hewlett-Packard, and American Express.
The United States government has created the very tools that are being used to transfer jobs out of our country. With these programs Congress states we will be able to educate and retrain people. These are the very programs that are forcing Americans out of technical fields. Education is their red herring, all a politician has to do to distract attention away from the facts is push the Education Button.
I believe we all know what they are doing, the U.S. Congress fails to act because money talks. Corporate campaign donations trump the livelihoods of their constituents.
The U.S. government created the “golden egg†for knowledge transfer. In my opinion, it is not the corporations that are completely at fault. They are only doing what our government has allowed them to do. The fault lies solely in the hands of the U.S. government, specifically the United States Congress.
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www.OutsourceCognress.org/
www.OutsourceCongress.org/video/
www.OutsourceCongress.org/mica/Mica_L1.html
www.Outsource Congress.org/mica/
www.itpaa.org/
www.toraw.org/
www.HireAmericanCitizens.org/
www.zazona.com/
www.RescueAmericanJobs.org/
www.naea.us/
www.techrevolt.org/
www.american-champions.org/
www.americanjobscoalition.org/
www.americanworker.org/
www.cwalocal4250.org/outsourcing/
heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.others.html
www.h1b.info/
www.awcorg.us/
www2.familyinjustice.com:8080/familyinjustice/h1b/
www.zazona.com/ShameH1B/
www.geocities.com/H1BAction/
www.hireamerica.us/
www.ieeeusa.org/forum/issues/H1bvisa/index.html
www.insourceamerica.org/
www.itunemployed.com/xaraya/index.php
www.madinusa.org/
www.nomoreh1b.com/
www.programmersguildusa.com/
www.the-cia.net/users/country/sellmain.htm
www.techsunite.org/
www.us1st.org/
www.h-1bs.com/
www.stopoffshoreoutsourcing.com/
www.yourjobisgoingtoindia.com/
www.vdare.com/
www.theamericancause.org/
www.fairjobs.org/
www.saveusjobs.biz/
stoptheinvasion.com/h1b/
I am also, one of approximately 20 Americans that were ordered by corporate management to train our foreign replacement workers. Our replacement workers are Tata Consulting India employees, holders of congressionally sanctioned H-1b and L-1 work visas.
Siemens brought the Americans into a room and told them that they would be laid off, but first they said: We want you to train your replacements. They held out a carrot for the Americans, stay on and train your replacements then we’ll give you this severance when you leave.
Once Tata employees were on site, they immediately began interviewing us on how to do our jobs.
For the past 19 years I have educated and re-educated myself so I could compete in the ever changing industry of IT. I thought I had done well? Who knew my own government would create replacement programs to put me out of work. I had upgraded my skills from the 80’s COBOL to 4GL, Database design, to the mid 90’s of web development and finally, in the late 90’s, I expanded my skill set to include Enterprise application integration; messaging based technology that enables seamless integration of disparate applications. We were ordered to train our replacements how this new technology works.
As a self-employed contractor; 6 years at Siemens, I was not offered a severance. They just assumed the contractors would go along with the plan. Many ask, why didn’t you just quit? The job market is incredibly bleak. Though, we keep hearing about an economic recovery, working Americans don’t see it. I stayed on because my concern will always be the medical care of our handicapped daughter. I stayed on until I landed a job. I left on my own accord Nov 2002, 20 days before my exit date.
Though my income is much less, I consider myself the lucky American; not so for many of my ex-coworkers. Some spent their 401ks to survive while foreigners live and work in our own backyards. The bottom line is these are highly trained, well-educated Americans that are pushed out of jobs in our own country; all in the quest for cheap labor.
A “Tata†told us they make $3,000 per month. Of that $2,000 is paid as expenses to work in the USA and $1,000 paid in Indian rupees. They get $24,000/year tax free to work in the USA while tax paying Americans go to the unemployment line.
It is my opinion that Tata Consulting has done this so many times they had become complacent, just like a burglar does. They put their entire project documentation on a Siemens shared drive, 500MB/800 documents. They had never run into a “Mike Emmons.†Thinking I was going to help my fellow co-workers I took this information, burned it on a CD and mailed it to my Representative, Senators, DOL Secretary Elaine Chao, BCIS/INS and our DOJ attorney, Anthony Archeval. After the DOJ required 120 days elapsed Anthony wrote me back stating they did not want to pursue the case. He said we had not given them enough evidence. He said “these cases are hard to winâ€. He tried to get us to claim age discrimination. It is not about age, it is discrimination against Americans.
Among those documents are the infamous “Knowledge Transition†documents. That would be documents Tata employees created that describing what Americans trained them. They documented what we were ordered to train them.
This is not about me. It never was. This is about a Congress that has denied opportunities for millions of Americans. Congress continues to spout out that Americans need to get retrained. We’re training our competition to take our jobs. And our Congress allows this because Corporations want cheap labor and Congress wants corporate campaign donations.
I’ve read in the news where Harris Miller has stated Siemens is an isolated case. That is so very far from the truth. Siemens is in the news because I chose to not give up, because I chose to be blackballed from the industry, but I, Mike Emmons, am one proud American that has stood up for millions of Americans being shortchanged by our government’s cheap labor policies.
For the past 18 months I have actively pursued bringing awareness to this gross injustice. The replacement of American workers is epidemic across America. People from all over the country have contacted me, stating virtually the same thing.
I will read these until you tell me to stop. The following are stories and situations that have come to me, describing the use of congressional visas to displace well educated American citizens.
Siemens Shared Services Orlando used the L-1 visa to import Siemens India employees. They ordered their Accounts Payable staff to train the foreign workers then laid off the Americans. Shared Services, AP department is now predominately Indian workers.
JP Morgan Tampa hired Tata Consulting to replace their American employees. As I understand, Tata was thrown out for incompetence; replaced by Congizant, another Indian replacement firm.
NCR Corporation Dayton, Ohio is currently in the process of replacing their American workers. The winner, body shop HCL Technology India.
AT&T Wireless, Bothell, WA and Palm Beach, FL hired body shop Tata Consulting to rid their offices of American workers.
Siemens Energy & Automotive Atlanta, GA hired Infosys India to replace their American workers.
Contacts in Verizon Temple Terrance, FL told me the IT department is now 90% visa holders. The Americans have been pushed out one by one.
In Sept 2003, Dan Rather of CBS reported First Data Corp Coral Springs, FL ordered their employees to train Congizant employees, then the Americans were thrown out on the streets.
When Bank of America Concord, CA employee Kevin Flanagan completed his replacement worker training he was laid off. That day he went to the bank parking lot and committed suicide.
On May 11, 1995 CBS 48 Hours report “Slamming the Door, Denying the Dream†described how AIG Insurance replaced 250 American workers with visa holders. Since May 11, 1995! The replacement of American workers has been going on for well over 8 years.
Per Hartford, Conn. NBC channel 30, Cigna Insurance is replacing hundreds of American workers with Satyam India employees. They reported there are over 20K unemployed Conn. IT workers. DOL reports Conn. has over 70K non-immigrant temporary workers. The CIGNA internal memo stated “in order to drive the replacement of local consultants to Satyam consultants we have put in place a closed loop process to provide Satyam first right of refusal for all consultant requests.†Regarding the 70K workers, that would be H-1b visa holders. No one knows details regarding L-1s because the Freedom of Information Act seems to not apply to L-1s. The BCIS/INS refuses to disclose this information.)
Tata Consulting and WiPro are the winners in North Carolina’s Ciena Corp replacement program.
USAA Insurance San Antonio, TX replaced their American workers. One email states: “A couple years back when our first wave of layoffs started, there were probably fewer than 100 TCS employees. Now we have over 500 and the number grows by the week, if not by the day. We also employ some Indian employees from HCL - about 80 or so. That's about 600 IT jobs that have vanished or will never be created for US citizens.â€
I have been given internal memos from Eaton Corp; they describe how Americans are asked to participate in knowledge transfer to Tata Consulting India employees; knowledge transfer occurring in Cleveland, Ohio.
I have more memos from Cutler-Hammer, Pittsburgh describing the same thing; the memo from Ray Huber, VP Information Technology states “Over the next few days we will be contacting affected individuals within our organization regarding our transition support.â€
On March 10, 2003, because I contacted them, Business Week reported that half of Tata Consulting 5,000 workers are L-1 visa holders. “What's more, L-1s allow employees to remain in the U.S. for up to seven years and can include multiple workers; H-1Bs are issued to individuals, who are limited to six-year stays. There were 384,000 people working in the U.S. on H-1Bs in 2001, the last year available, and at 329,000, nearly as many on L-1s. In more recent news reports Tata will not disclose the quantity of L-1 workers they use.
AT&T Orlando, FL replaced American consultants weeks after the arrival of their replacement workers from India.
Feb 16-19 2003, WKMG CBS Orlando aired “Where did the jobs go?†This 4 day report described the ill effects of H-1b and L-1 visas. The report received more replies than any other report they have ever done, bar none. Fall 2003, it was nominated for an Emmy. If you don’t believe me, contact Terri Spitz 407-521-1305 and ask her.
On Sept 24, 1998 Honorable Representative Dana Rohrabacher of California stated on the House floor:
"There are hundreds of thousands of workers from developing countries, indeed, that are willing to work for less. But the fact that they (the corporations) are importing them will take pressure off people to train our own people or to increase the wages of our people so those people will get their own training. The effect of this bill is to bring down the market wage for our high-tech workers.
It is called supply and demand. That is what we believe in. We Republicans especially are supposed to believe in that. It is not just supposed to work for the benefit of big companies; it is supposed to work for the benefit of all of our people. It will also reduce the incentives for companies to reeducate and retrain employees or unemployed Americans. It will provide an incentive for companies to lay off senior employees before they qualify for retirement or if they need health benefits, which people who get older need. Instead, it will bring on people who are from developing countries who are willing to work for a lot less and are a lot younger,...
To whom are we loyal? Whom do we care about? We are supposed to care about the American people."
I refer to Honorable Rohrabacher as Nostramadus. He hit the nail on the head except one thing and that is the effect of the bill. It would be better stated “The INTENT of this bill is to bring down the market wage for our high-tech workers; the EFFECT has been the replacement of American high-tech workers.
I have received many other emails from victims of L-1 and H-1b visa abuse; victims of body shops like Tata, Infosys, Satyam, WiPro, and HCL. Some of those include Target and Best Buy Minneapolis, Coca-Cola Atlanta, Harris Corp Melbourne, FL, Peoplesoft, Pleasanton, CA, Chevron-Texaco, CA, Lockheed-Martin Colorado Springs, Intel, Hewlett-Packard, and American Express.
The United States government has created the very tools that are being used to transfer jobs out of our country. With these programs Congress states we will be able to educate and retrain people. These are the very programs that are forcing Americans out of technical fields. Education is their red herring, all a politician has to do to distract attention away from the facts is push the Education Button.
I believe we all know what they are doing, the U.S. Congress fails to act because money talks. Corporate campaign donations trump the livelihoods of their constituents.
The U.S. government created the “golden egg†for knowledge transfer. In my opinion, it is not the corporations that are completely at fault. They are only doing what our government has allowed them to do. The fault lies solely in the hands of the U.S. government, specifically the United States Congress.
DELETED
www.OutsourceCognress.org/
www.OutsourceCongress.org/video/
www.OutsourceCongress.org/mica/Mica_L1.html
www.Outsource Congress.org/mica/
www.itpaa.org/
www.toraw.org/
www.HireAmericanCitizens.org/
www.zazona.com/
www.RescueAmericanJobs.org/
www.naea.us/
www.techrevolt.org/
www.american-champions.org/
www.americanjobscoalition.org/
www.americanworker.org/
www.cwalocal4250.org/outsourcing/
heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.others.html
www.h1b.info/
www.awcorg.us/
www2.familyinjustice.com:8080/familyinjustice/h1b/
www.zazona.com/ShameH1B/
www.geocities.com/H1BAction/
www.hireamerica.us/
www.ieeeusa.org/forum/issues/H1bvisa/index.html
www.insourceamerica.org/
www.itunemployed.com/xaraya/index.php
www.madinusa.org/
www.nomoreh1b.com/
www.programmersguildusa.com/
www.the-cia.net/users/country/sellmain.htm
www.techsunite.org/
www.us1st.org/
www.h-1bs.com/
www.stopoffshoreoutsourcing.com/
www.yourjobisgoingtoindia.com/
www.vdare.com/
www.theamericancause.org/
www.fairjobs.org/
www.saveusjobs.biz/
stoptheinvasion.com/h1b/
Have you been hired by the twu or are you a management employeee who has been directed to help the twu maintain their foothold in the mechanic and related? The latter would not suprise me considering my previous dealings with the company during the last drive.
