August/September 2013 Fleet Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Roabilly, nothing political about it. Im not going to allow you to bull S and pimp members with your lies.Station closings is what you said. Roa wasnt outsourced till after the iam agreement. Kindlu reference the station list of your fleet service agreement. Whether or not the company was adding flights to some stations or pulling flights is standard and could involve hiring or displacements. But stop your S that stations were closed. Very few were if any.were!
Thats neither anti iam or pro iam....it stands on its own. Imo either clam up or kindly mention all of these stations that closed prior to 1999?.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The fact was that the company probably kept the stations open to keep out union. But man, after the iam agreed that all of those stations could be contracted out, thats when the bottom dropped. And the ta we fought and rejected didnt evenhave catering protected.
Thats what happens when we have mx negotiating a fleet agreement. Im still somewhat concerned that the iam will take a bigger part of the pie for mx.
Btw if anyone is supportive of the iam constitution it is me. Thats not anti iam. Just because i have to enforce the constitution and get the intl to comply with its own constitution and uphold members rights doesnt make me antiiam. If anything, the criminal actions of sito and the intl is anti iam

 

[700UW]

BS Tim!

The DL replaced all the M&R on Fleet Committee, fleet got its own agreement, mtc didnt negotiated it, and what you got has nothing to do with mtc.C

Criminal action of Sito?

You do know slander and false accusations you make on the internet can get you sued.

 

[Tim Nelson]

700, the intl settled their criminal actions by agreeing to comply. Otherwise a suit by the federal government would have criminally charged the iam.

As far as my statements about a ta that didnt include catering... that is exactly what happens when mx negotiates. After the ta was rejected, frieberger was removed and brickner took over.
I remain skeptical about the metaphorical piece of pie.
None of our fleet negotiators have any idea about negotiations other than what they are told. Other than perhaps rezler, i doubt they would understand if some gray language got carved in by the attorneys. But each of them, im convinced, will mostly accept tommys reagonomics and charts about "how much is really on the table".
I hope they prove me wrong but thus far every single nc put together at usair or united is made up of folks who have little to no education or history with labor or research skills.
The contracts are evidence of this.

 

[700UW]

BS,

If its your protest, thats a civil matter.

So what crimes did he commit?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I thought all violations of civil code are criminal?

The federal government found that they violated the lmrda rights of their members. It was a crime against all of there members, not just me.

The fact that i set out to enforce the iam constitution and fightfor the rights of the members didnt mean it was soley a violation against me.

 

[700UW]

Civil is not criminal.

Its not a crime and the IAM voluntarily made an agreement with the DOL, they werent penalized in any fashion.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Civil is not criminal.

Its not a crime and the IAM voluntarily made an agreement with the DOL, they werent penalized in any fashion.

700, breaking the law is criminal. You are saying that if an entity breaks a law, whether labor law or otherwise, that it is not criminal?

 

[700UW]

Look up the difference

For example OJ was found not guilty in the criminal case against him and never went to jail for the murderer. Yet he was found liable in the civil case, never convicted and never went to jail.

 

[mike33]

Hmmm i'll wait and come back another time when you guys finish your regular ramblings that go on and on and on. It's not that it doesnt matter ! It 's that it doesnt matter to our solidarity at this time. Half of those who read don't know who Sito or Tommy are let alone their own AGC's. They certainly dont know their contract, so lets stay on course.

 

[mike33]

Ograc
Sorry I have their contract at work and not on me right now, but at the ammendable date I think they will have to maintain no less than 14 main line flights a day to keep from being contracted out. Right now I think it's only 7 they have to maintain. So it basically doubles at the ammendable. If I'm wrong on those numbers, they're very close. I can check for sure tomorrow.

From AA Contract as Letter of Attachment :

[background=rgb(255, 255, 0)]During these negotiations, we agreed that the following seventeen (17) stations will continue to be staffed with TWU represented employees following the implementation of Article 1©. Those stations will remain staffed, with TWU represented Fleet Service employees, so long as the annual departures are at or above 2555 from the effective date of this agreement up to the day prior to the [/background][background=rgb(100.000000%, 100.000000%, 0.000000%)]amendable date. [/background]

[background=rgb(100.000000%, 100.000000%, 0.000000%)]Beyond the amendable date, Article 1© will apply. ............. [/background]

Atricle 1.c......The bold numbers are the negotiated changes...

© The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented Fleet Service employees are assigned currently with 2555 5475 and above annual departures or 1460 for Ground Service employees and will staff new cities (those not currently staffed by the TWU) at or above 5475 7300 annual departures. for Fleet Service employees and 3650 for Ground Service employees. The Company will also restaff former TWU staffed cities that have been de-staffed once those cities reach 2555 7300 and above annual departures. for Fleet Service employees and 1460 for Ground Service employees.

 

[mike33]

From AA Agreement as Letter of Attatchment :

This affects the hubs mostly..............

" This will confirm our understanding reached during the negotiations leading up to the agreement signed on DOS. During these negotiations, we discussed the Company’s interest to be more competitive relative to certain work that is currently performed by TWU represented employees under the terms of the Fleet Service/Ground Service agreement.
After numerous discussions with respect to the scope of work, it was agreed that the Company will have the ability to outsource all dayline cabin cleaning work, all mail handling work, all cargo handling work, with the exception of DFW, JFK, LAX. MIA and ORD, all fueling work, all bus driving work[background=rgb(255, 255, 0)], Interline Cargo work at JFK/MIA [/background]and all bag transfer work relating to American Eagle and/or any other commuter air carrier that feeds American which is currently performed by AA TWU represented Fleet Service/Ground Service employees.


How would this language affect the transfer process from mainline to express in the future for the USairways hubs?????

 

[ograc]

From AA Contract as Letter of Attachment :

[background=rgb(255, 255, 0)]During these negotiations, we agreed that the following seventeen (17) stations will continue to be staffed with TWU represented employees following the implementation of Article 1©. Those stations will remain staffed, with TWU represented Fleet Service employees, so long as the annual departures are at or above 2555 from the effective date of this agreement up to the day prior to the [/background][background=rgb(255, 255, 0)]amendable date. [/background]

[background=rgb(255, 255, 0)]Beyond the amendable date, Article 1© will apply. ............. [/background]

Atricle 1.c......The bold numbers are the negotiated changes...

© The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented Fleet Service employees are assigned currently with 2555 5475 and above annual departures or 1460 for Ground Service employees and will staff new cities (those not currently staffed by the TWU) at or above 5475 7300 annual departures. for Fleet Service employees and 3650 for Ground Service employees. The Company will also restaff former TWU staffed cities that have been de-staffed once those cities reach 2555 7300 and above annual departures. for Fleet Service employees and 1460 for Ground Service employees.

WOW! I guess this is what CB was referring to. Beyond the amendable let the bloodbath begin regarding scope and job protection. Thank you Mike 33 for the clarification. What is the ammendable date of this agreement? This is the "synergies" the company expects to gain with a merger. How can anyone look at these numbers and not conclude an agenda of job elimination through outsourcing for Fleet? For that matter; how can any labor organization and it's members agree to such language? I don't get it. i've seen the "selling out" before but I still don't get it and strongly disagree.

 

[cltrat]

Hmmm i'll wait and come back another time when you guys finish your regular ramblings that go on and on and on. It's not that it doesnt matter ! It 's that it doesnt matter to our solidarity at this time. Half of those who read don't know who Sito or Tommy are let alone their own AGC's. They certainly dont know their contract, so lets stay on course.

couldn't agree more mike. Most of us don't care anything about all that crap, I know I don't let's focus on what's needed to get us a contract than they can piss and moan all they want about that stuff.

 

[DFWFSC]

The AA Fleet contract is in effect from 9-12-12 till 9-12-18, and I think early talks may begin in 2016 if both parties agree.