August 2013 Pilot Discussion

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EastUS1 said:
By no means, but I'd be a bit more impressed with the man if he chose to properly accept nothing more than any line pilot would receive in the same circumstances. Such could well be done, but then..the bottom line is that those who seek out the lives of politicians generally have some inherent personal deficiencies to begin with (as do we all), so yammer on about honor, that you so contemptuously feel the need to place within " marks. IMO; the only reasonable way to hire politicians would be to establish a lottery among those who DON'T want the jobs. Those who do, have throughout at least contemporary history, proven ill-equipped to actually serve the interests of others.

"Please read LOA 95" What for? Why anyone can ever "get away" with despicable behavior's never been my concern. "Follow me men!...But if I fall...my arse is covered at better than your line pay, and I'll even accrue "sick time" whilst sick! Now get out there and fly your little hearts out!...Suckers!" Whom do you honestly imagine such behavior truly inspires?

I've never been a believer in asking or ordering others to do anything I won't do myself. It seems Mr. Hummel's mileage varies greatly there.

PS: "We want to know on who/whom the prank was pulled. who/whom. The prank was pulled on him. Therefore, whom is correct." ;)
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There really is a flaw of omission in the US Airline Pilots C&B-L's. Every officer, rep and any FPL position should be required to hold a valid medical certificate that would allow him/her to fly revenue service, even in the case of those on full-time FPL. If the medical goes away, then the full-time FPL union position is automatically suspended and the pilot reverts to whatever line status he/she would otherwise hold. If the term of office has not expired by the time the medical certificate is restored, then he/she can resume the officer/rep/committee position from which suspended.

But, this exercise in fairness for the line pilot obviously slipped through the cracks when the C&B-Ls were formulated. Too bad.
 
Pi brat said:
Yet all it's pearly whites are still intact. Hmmm. You are the moron poster boy. Now, go get ready for court.
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You consider your fake union to be "intact"?

HHHAAAAA!!! You idiots make ALPA look like its run by Rolex. You're fake ass union inspired the CSN song, King Midas in Reverse. EVERYTHING your scab union touches turns to ####. Everything. You've been stuck in the mud spinning your wheels getting exactly NOWHERE since April 2008. LOA93 with no relief in sight...EVER.

That's your "pearly white union?" HA!! You deserve every bit of this pile of #### you created. Come on down to the courthouse and whine to Silver about DFR standards, ripeness and harm. She isn't buying any of your whimpering little #### OPINIONS.

If you scabs are so comfortable with your case, you should be skipping into court not hiding like cowardly little bullies that got their asses kicked.
 
Res Judicata said:
You consider your fake union to be "intact"?

HHHAAAAA!!! You idiots make ALPA look like its run by Rolex. You're fake ass union inspired the CSN song, King Midas in Reverse. EVERYTHING your scab union touches turns to ####. Everything. You've been stuck in the mud spinning your wheels getting exactly NOWHERE since April 2008. LOA93 with no relief in sight...EVER.

That's your "pearly white union?" HA!! You deserve every bit of this pile of #### you created. Come on down to the courthouse and whine to Silver about DFR standards, ripeness and harm. She isn't buying any of your whimpering little #### OPINIONS.

If you scabs are so comfortable with your case, you should be skipping into court not hiding like cowardly little bullies that got their asses kicked.
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Everyone needs something to cheer them when they are down, even you. Someday, far in the future, you may feel down and you might be able to console yourself with the thought that you are no longer hyperventilating.
 
Res Judicata said:
You consider your fake union to be "intact"?

HHHAAAAA!!! You idiots make ALPA look like its run by Rolex. You're fake ass union inspired the CSN song, King Midas in Reverse. EVERYTHING your scab union touches turns to ####. Everything. You've been stuck in the mud spinning your wheels getting exactly NOWHERE since April 2008. LOA93 with no relief in sight...EVER.

That's your "pearly white union?" HA!! You deserve every bit of this pile of #### you created. Come on down to the courthouse and whine to Silver about DFR standards, ripeness and harm. She isn't buying any of your whimpering little #### OPINIONS.

If you scabs are so comfortable with your case, you should be skipping into court not hiding like cowardly little bullies that got their asses kicked.
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American Airlines HR and the FBI successfully weeded this moron out years ago. One would imagine the eyebrows raising when this slithers in the back door potentially at AMR.
 
nycbusdriver said:
There really is a flaw of omission in the US Airline Pilots C&B-L's. Every officer, rep and any FPL position should be required to hold a valid medical certificate that would allow him/her to fly revenue service, even in the case of those on full-time FPL. If the medical goes away, then the full-time FPL union position is automatically suspended and the pilot reverts to whatever line status he/she would otherwise hold. If the term of office has not expired by the time the medical certificate is restored, then he/she can resume the officer/rep/committee position from which suspended.

But, this exercise in fairness for the line pilot obviously slipped through the cracks when the C&B-Ls were formulated. Too bad.
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It did indeed slip through the cracks. The BPR has had 5 years to do exactly what you suggest and they would not. Notice I said "would not." It’s actually more complicated, to the point of resembling Monty Python. The Company has the contractual right to place pilots on AFB status, without the union's permission. Again, other than at the President level, this is all correctable today. Maybe if the BPR showed up at a meeting with actual resolutions (and not Christmas wishes that violate the CBL) they could fix most of this. If the change requires the CBL to be amended, then do so with a pilot vote. That part did NOT slip through the cracks. They could even change the CBL to allow the BPR to remove Officers with a simple vote, it that is what the pilots want. RR
 
Res Judicata said:
You consider your fake union to be "intact"?

HHHAAAAA!!! You idiots make ALPA look like its run by Rolex. You're fake ass union inspired the CSN song, King Midas in Reverse. EVERYTHING your scab union touches turns to ####. Everything. You've been stuck in the mud spinning your wheels getting exactly NOWHERE since April 2008. LOA93 with no relief in sight...EVER.

That's your "pearly white union?" HA!! You deserve every bit of this pile of #### you created. Come on down to the courthouse and whine to Silver about DFR standards, ripeness and harm. She isn't buying any of your whimpering little #### OPINIONS.

If you scabs are so comfortable with your case, you should be skipping into court not hiding like cowardly little bullies that got their asses kicked.
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You are so predictable. One little poke through the cage and off you go.

Yes, OUR union is intact. It's also, IMHO, flawed and dysfunctional, but it's all there and has the only standing ruling in it's favor. All that may change starting today. Who knows? Certainly not you.

An oldie, but always a goodie:






"The Dec. ruling should be out by April. LOA93 Loss will have been handed down to USAPA and that reality will have had a few months to percolate among the silent majority. I, and others a hell of a lot smarter than I[not saying much, but I guess they weren't], believe that Judge Silver is going to effectively end this debate by telling the company that they are absolutely liable if they touch the Nic. The law is clear. It is illegal for the company to enjoy the benefits of a new contract that work as a DFR against a group of employees. All AOL has to do is persuade the Judge enough that a DOH contract is indeed a dfr and will make the contract Illegal. Guess where all the evidence for proving that fact will be imported from? Wait for it.......

ADDINGTON!!!

The case that was dead, buried, meaningless, and forgotten will be back front and center to haunt USAPA. Being a Jury already found against USAPA for DFR in regards to a DOH list....how hard is it going to be to convince Silver that a DOH contract is a DFR?

It's a no brainer. USAPA is doomed and they damn well know it. Thank God they finally are getting competent legal advise.

This will be over by April.
Res Judicata...a thing already decided"
 
Pi brat said:
What's the score? You aren't posting from the courtroom, are you? Judge Silver might not like that!
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I suppose other than "for show" there isn't much reason for the trial. There isn't anything more that can be added to all the filings and she has been reluctant to let the law get in the way of her goals, for the most part. :lol:
 
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