Arpey''s position!

[Oliver Stone''s Apprentice]

So, if I read your message correctly, everyone should hide their religious preference, just to make others more comfortable? My apologies if you were offended, but expressing a religion and discriminating against someone for having a different religion are two different things.

How many times has George Bush said "God bless America" in speeches? Does that make you uncomfortable, too? Some people in the ACLU might be against it, but the majority of Americans don''t seem to think that''s a problem.

How many times have you read that David Neeleman is a devout Mormon? Just about every article I''ve seen on him mentions it. Do you ever see people questioning his ethics or honesty. I don''t think that is a coincidence.

The ethics and trustworthiness of AMR senior management have been questioned by a lot of people lately. Just where exactly do you think that one''s ethics and morality are founded? Without a track record, what else do you have to base putting your trust in someone?

Granted, there are those who are total frauds when it comes to ethics or morality (Bill Clinton comes to mind...), but more often than not, one''s spiritual nature is usually reflected in how they conduct themself.

 

[FrugalFlyer]

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On 5/21/2003 8:30:22 PM coldplay wrote:

which leads to where this guy''s position truly is...directly behind everybody else who''s bending over, KY Jelly in hand and ready to rock and roll. yipee kai yea, woohoo, ride ''em cowboy!
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Actually, now that we know more about Mr. Arpey, including his religious background, I would argue that his position is MISSIONARY

 

[AA80Driver]

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On 5/21/2003 11:06:53 AM eolesen wrote:

Why does it matter? Arpey wasn''t on the board at the time that the bonuses were approved, and that was a decision made by the outside directors of the board.

Since the retention bonuses were retracted, it is a moot point.

Arpey is different from Carty, folks.

The fact that Arpey is turning down a raise for taking on the CEO position probably says that as much as anything. Maybe it is simply symbolic, or maybe it just further reflects the fact that he''s not Carty.

Gerard lives in Tarrant County, versus the higher status areas like Highland Park or Southlake. He is a member of a small Lutheran church, and actually attends from what I hear. Lutherans don''t tend to be all about image, unlike some other large denominations which dominate Texas...

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EOlesen,

I agree with you on Arpey; but, let me make two points:

1. Southlake is in Tarrant County.
2. His religous affiliation is irrelevant. Why try to make the point at the expense of another denomonation (I am a member of neither).

 

[Bob Owens]

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On 5/21/2003 9:16:12 PM KCFlyer wrote:


R.I.P AA.  Some will never trust anyone at the helm of AA.  Not JC himself.

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Is that DC or RC''s brother?

 

[toroshark]

Arpey is doing a hell of a job in his new position. 1 month into his tenure and the new "employee /management era of cooperation" and AA has flagrantly violated the all new and improved TWU contract twice. Blantantly disregarding article 15 language on the RIF bumping process is one thing, but not paying severance in the prescribed manner per the contract to the unfortunate souls who lost their jobs is about as low as it gets. Just remember GERARD, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW! Just ask your sea-daddy Donny-boy.

 

[Bob Owens]

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On 5/21/2003 11:06:53 AM eolesen wrote:

Why does it matter? Arpey wasn''t on the board at the time that the bonuses were approved, and that was a decision made by the outside directors of the board.

Since the retention bonuses were retracted, it is a moot point.

Arpey is different from Carty, folks.

The fact that Arpey is turning down a raise for taking on the CEO position probably says that as much as anything. Maybe it is simply symbolic, or maybe it just further reflects the fact that he''s not Carty.

Gerard lives in Tarrant County, versus the higher status areas like Highland Park or Southlake. He is a member of a small Lutheran church, and actually attends from what I hear. Lutherans don''t tend to be all about image, unlike some other large denominations which dominate Texas...

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Ah yes and he comes from a small log cabin and kisses babies too.

Carty turned down raises too, remember?

Are you Lutheran? What makes you qualified to say what Lutherans are like?

 

[KCFlyer]

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On 5/22/2003 514 PM Bob Owens wrote:

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On 5/21/2003 9:16:12 PM KCFlyer wrote:



R.I.P AA.  Some will never trust anyone at the helm of AA.  Not JC himself.

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Is that DC or RC''s brother?

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DC and RC do have something in common with JC - they all were crucified.

 

[Winglet]

Soon as someone mentions "religion" in a conversation, the first thing I do is reach back and make sure my wallet''s still in my pocket.

 

[MrMarky]

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On 5/22/2003 8:44:24 AM eolesen wrote:

So, if I read your message correctly, everyone should hide their religious preference, just to make others more comfortable? My apologies if you were offended, but expressing a religion and discriminating against someone for having a different religion are two different things.


How many times has George Bush said "God bless America" in speeches? Does that make you uncomfortable, too? Some people in the ACLU might be against it, but the majority of Americans don''t seem to think that''s a problem.


How many times have you read that David Neeleman is a devout Mormon? Just about every article I''ve seen on him mentions it. Do you ever see people questioning his ethics or honesty. I don''t think that is a coincidence.


The ethics and trustworthiness of AMR senior management have been questioned by a lot of people lately. Just where exactly do you think that one''s ethics and morality are founded? Without a track record, what else do you have to base putting your trust in someone?


Granted, there are those who are total frauds when it comes to ethics or morality (Bill Clinton comes to mind...), but more often than not, one''s spiritual nature is usually reflected in how they conduct themself.

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Eric,

You have reached a new low. Religion of any stripe has no place in the discussions we conduct on these boards. your implication that somehow the usually mundane Lutheran faith is responsible for Arpey''s business values is ridiculous. Yet you take it further by politicizing it --- George Bush and "God bless America" vs. Bill Clinton and "immorality".

I''ll take Bill Clinton''s America over the spine-tingling, economically impaired, Bush version any day, along with the multi-billion profits AA earned under Clinton vs. the current situation if you want to talk about the economic health of America.

You are in danger of receding into the abyss of religious and political fanaticism that blames all of our problems on those who have done the most to advance our prosperity (regardless of their personal vices) while praising those who would strip us of our God-given personal freedoms under the guise of "threats" to our security. You better figure out what it means to be an American before your beloved President makes the decision for you.

And Lutheran, Morman, Catholic, Baptist, Jewish or whatever, I deeply resent your implication that those individual faiths constitute the values that we share as Americans. Our values are derived from faith yes, but also from a fundamental understanding and belief in neutral justice, fairness, dedication to freedom and our great country, and the valiant principles for which it stands, as expressed by the Constitution of the United States, the sacrifices those before us have given their lives to uphold--so that we could live in freedom, and the ability to judge people on the basis of their character rather than the religious faith or political beliefs to which they may happen to subscribe.

And this comes from a guy who happens to like you!

Marky

 

[Bob Owens]

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On 5/23/2003 6:00:09 AM KCFlyer wrote:

DC and RC do have something in common with JC - they all were crucified.​

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Oh really?
How to you equate dying on the cross with sailing off into the sunset on a million dollar yacht, recieved for free or stepping out the door with millions in tow?

Save your tears and wake up. DC and RC were well rewarded.

 

[AAmech]

Boy I''ve never seen a more Anal bunch! So what if Eric mentions that Arpey is Lutheran! Is everyone else so insecure about there own religion or lack of one? I think everyone needs to lighten up a little, no lighten up a lot! And do yourselfs a favor and listen to the NPR radio show "Praire Home Companion"? You''ll hear a great show and learn a lot about Lutherans.
PS I''m not Lutheran.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I'm surprised that Eric's mention of "the outside directors of the board" has received no comment.

OUTSIDE?...... These people are the ultimate insiders.

 

[James T. Kirk]

Damn Bob I remember you stated that if the concessions package was voted in you would need to find other employment do to the fact you could not live on the cut in pay. You stated you could go and find several other jobs where you could make in excess of $100,000.00 a year. I was sure there must have been sever offers to you for that amount of pay. Bob I don't understand why you are still working for those low wages. With your intelligence you should be advising either the Governor Of New York or at least the President Of The United States at least. If not solving the problems of the world. Well what is it Bob why are you still around? You can’t live on the low wages there must be some other reason. Surely you wouldn’t lie to us about the wages or the job offers would you Bob?

 

[b777conehead]

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On 5/24/2003 6:05:04 AM Bob Owens wrote:

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On 5/23/2003 6:00:09 AM KCFlyer wrote:

DC and RC do have something in common with JC - they all were crucified.​

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Oh really?
How to you equate dying on the cross with sailing off into the sunset on a million dollar yacht, recieved for free or stepping out the door with millions in tow?

Save your tears and wake up. DC and RC were well rewarded.

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well you say the airline did well under clinton. i do not remember george w bush holding a gun to Carty''s head saying buy twa. the mess this airline is in is do to poor management from carty and his cronies. not from the employs who just payed for the twa buy out with pay concessions

 

[AAmech]

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On 5/25/2003 12:33:11 AM b777conehead wrote:

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well you say the airline did well under clinton. i do not remember george w bush holding a gun to Carty''s head saying buy twa. the mess this airline is in is do to poor management from carty and his cronies. not from the employs who just payed for the twa buy out with pay concessions

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Time to catch a clue and relize that we''re in the middle of an Airline Depression! Trying to blame Carty and TWA purchase is just plane ignorant. UAL and US didn''t buy TWA and their already BK. CO didn''t buy TWA and their in wretched shape. Same for DL and NW. And I dont'' think Carty works for them either.