prechilill
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"But being “bound” by the Transition Agreement has very little meaning in the context of the present case. It is undisputed that the Transition Agreement can be modified at any time “by written agreement of [USAPA] and the [US Airways].” (Doc. 156-3 at 38).
Moreover,
USAPA and US Airways are now engaged in negotiations for an entirely new collective bargaining agreement and there is no obvious impediment to USAPA and US Airways negotiating and agreeing upon any seniority regime they wish.
As explained by the Ninth Circuit, “seniority rights are creations of the collective bargaining agreement, and so may be revised or abrogated by later negotiated changes in this agreement.” Hass v.
Darigold Dairy Products Co., 751 F.2d 1096, 1099 (9th Cir. 1985). And a union “may renegotiate seniority provisions of a collective bargaining agreement, even though the resulting changes are essentially retroactive or affect different employees unequally.” Id.
The Honorable Judge Silver
A west pilot falsely accusing East pilots.
"Eric said,
July 20, 2008
On the surface, it sounds terrible. But here’s the real story, which I am attempting to get published in the USA Today:
As a multi-year Captain for USAirlines, I profusely apologize to the public for the misleading full page advertisement by our new “union,” USAPA, in the USA Today this week.
This ad was nothing more than attempt at muscle-flexing by an upstart union trying to turn safety into a negotiating tactic. This “union,” of which nearly all of our fellow West-based and many East-based pilots refuse to become members, has, in the scant few months of its existence, committed such foolhardy acts as:
1) Blatantly disregard and attempt to circumvent legally binding, preexisting arbitration;
2) Falsely accuse and sue members of its own pilot body, the entire case of which was thrown out of Federal Court last week as completely false and malicious;
3) attempt to force nonunion pilots to pay absurdly high union “dues” under threat of termination; and, in its USA Today advertisement;
3) defend a group of disgruntled pilots who are attempting to hurt our airline financially by unnecessarily ordering and burning extra fuel. This has been done by running unneeded engines on the ground during delays, and flying at absurdly inefficient speeds and altitudes.
I can speak with authority that our professional dispatchers do an outstanding job planning our flights with plenty of margin of fuel safety. Only rarely do I need to order and burn extra fuel, as these pilots who claim to be “professionals” have routinely done.
The public can rest assured that ALL of our USAirways pilots do indeed operate their aircraft in a safe manner, and the vast majority do so in an efficient manner as well. I do, however, fear for the Company’s future at the hands of a few loose cannons, both in the cockpit and in our sad excuse for a union, who dare to call their acts “professional.”
Signed,
A Concerned USAirways Captain"
"Eric said,
July 20, 2008
On the surface, it sounds terrible. But here’s the real story, which I am attempting to get published in the USA Today:
As a multi-year Captain for USAirlines, I profusely apologize to the public for the misleading full page advertisement by our new “union,” USAPA, in the USA Today this week.
This ad was nothing more than attempt at muscle-flexing by an upstart union trying to turn safety into a negotiating tactic. This “union,” of which nearly all of our fellow West-based and many East-based pilots refuse to become members, has, in the scant few months of its existence, committed such foolhardy acts as:
1) Blatantly disregard and attempt to circumvent legally binding, preexisting arbitration;
2) Falsely accuse and sue members of its own pilot body, the entire case of which was thrown out of Federal Court last week as completely false and malicious;
3) attempt to force nonunion pilots to pay absurdly high union “dues” under threat of termination; and, in its USA Today advertisement;
3) defend a group of disgruntled pilots who are attempting to hurt our airline financially by unnecessarily ordering and burning extra fuel. This has been done by running unneeded engines on the ground during delays, and flying at absurdly inefficient speeds and altitudes.
I can speak with authority that our professional dispatchers do an outstanding job planning our flights with plenty of margin of fuel safety. Only rarely do I need to order and burn extra fuel, as these pilots who claim to be “professionals” have routinely done.
The public can rest assured that ALL of our USAirways pilots do indeed operate their aircraft in a safe manner, and the vast majority do so in an efficient manner as well. I do, however, fear for the Company’s future at the hands of a few loose cannons, both in the cockpit and in our sad excuse for a union, who dare to call their acts “professional.”
Signed,
A Concerned USAirways Captain"
"I can speak with authority that our professional dispatchers do an outstanding job planning our flights with plenty of margin of fuel safety. Only rarely do I need to order and burn extra fuel, as these pilots who claim to be “professionals” have routinely done."
Eric Auxier, america west pilot and expert, based in the PHX regional hub all his previous and now future career.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVH2jxZnxs
Eric Auxier, america west pilot and expert, based in the PHX regional hub all his previous and now future career.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVH2jxZnxs
He looks like he is trying to do an impression of Mr. Scott Kirby's alter ego. There is a resemblance IMHO.
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How about you dazzle us with your knowledge.
Have you read documents 60 and 64? A request has been made so this may not just be a preliminary hearing.
But if you think you are correct. Why did usapa file document 74? Why would usapa file 45 exhibits if it is not an evidentiary hearing?
Now back to the point. You suggested that the judge would sanction the west. For what pray tell? What rules do you think the west is violating?
The Nic award. alpa was preparing for what they thought was the UAL, US Airways merger. When USAPA was voted in, within the following few weeks the merger was called off by both parties.
"Do I believe in arbitration? I do. But not in arbitration between the lion and the lamb, in which the lamb is in the morning found inside the lion."
Samuel Gompers
"Do I believe in arbitration? I do. But not in arbitration between the lion and the lamb, in which the lamb is in the morning found inside the lion."
Samuel Gompers
Sure, but the union still has to represent all members/groups in the union equally/fairly. What negotiations took place between the reps for the east and west pilots?
america west pilots attitude to working things out with US Airways pilots.
http://www.youtube.c...1C1C7D32B996827
http://www.youtube.c...1C1C7D32B996827
"By letter dated October 12, 2012, I wrote to Captain John Scherff, the
Phoenix Domicile Chairman for the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives, requesting
that the East and West representatives of USAPA arrange a meeting to sit down and
attempt to work together towards an acceptable seniority integration proposal.
9. By letter dated October 16, 2012, Captain Scherff responded to me,
essentially stating that the position directed by the former America West pilots (West
Pilots) was “Nicolau-or-nothing.” He did not directly respond to my request for an actual
meeting to discuss this issue further."
http://leonidas.cact...Declaration.pdf
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Claxon, I don't think it was an attack on all east pilots, just the ones running USAPA at that time. Using safety as a negotiating tool was stupid and disgusting. Seniority and all aside, I found it offensive as a professional pilot.
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