April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

Do you realize that you lost the first case and only won on appeal, because of ripeness?

Ripeness alone, was so notably absent in that bizarre judge's little circus that none then dug any deeper, nor had any rational need to do so. Do YOU realize that the evident west assumption is that zero/zip/nada/none other legal faults could've even possibly been found, upon further inspection? Let's see now: Wake was sufficently inept so's not to even recognize ripeness for what it was/wasn't, but was otherwise the font of all legal brilliance...and that actually makes "sense" to you!? I know, I know; "but the jury!!!/splutter/etc". Who cares, or reasonably should? "Brilliant" and clearly misdirected juries found Ojay "not guilty" as well as Robert Blake...who's only real "defence" was that he'd magically fogotten his gun in a restaraunt, whilst his estranged spouse was parked outside, and that some "other" person had conveniently killed her as he'd nobly gone back to supposedly search for his weapon!? Umm...sure thing....yeah...but the jury bought it! Judges and juries have sent who-knows-how-many wrongly convicted persons to legal murder/execution over time, and let countless guilty parties go free. All along this east-west/west-east debacle; I've found myself laughingly bemused by the west's grand faith in the legal process, as in; how's it possible for any with even room temperature IQ's to have such?....Just sayin' If you need any additional laughs here....just review one of you mighty "spartans", on video, noting the 9th to be a "massive display of legal authority", your goodly "knight" David Braid...well...up 'till the moment they told you folks to get lost, that is. After they did that...they were clearly-and-directly "wrong" of course. You "spartans" are a neverending source of amusement.

You guys, as a group mind you, without assigning individual insanity to specific people, are as desperate, delusional and completely full of BS as any subset/portion of humanity I've ever studied....period.

PS: Omigosh!...A minus vote already! Sigh! I sure didn't see that coming! Sorry to burst your cultist bubble with the above post...umm..."spartans". I'll now leave you to enjoy life in Fantasyland....or...you could all do yourselves a great service and seek at least some semblance of reality in your lives.....your choice....reality happens whether you're paying attention to it or not.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Do you realize that you lost the first case and only won on appeal, because of ripeness? You're basing your questions I believe on a false asumption. As time passes by your( USAPA's) argument gets weaker and weaker.*

* This is my personal observation and does not represent that of AOL or it's lawyers

If I don't respond right away, it's because I've got to take the kids to swimming and I'm not too good at typing while driving

Bean

Sadly, the Ninth stopped looking at what really happened in Wake's courtroom once it found lack of ripeness. It wasn't ripe, so the Ninth said it never happened.

If there is a next time, once the ripeness issue is no longer relevant, if the judge runs the trial like Wake did, the Ninth will then get to rule on the particulars of the case and the trial.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the Ninth's ruling implied that Wake's trial was without flaw, but simply not ripe. You're wrong.

And Oprah would be really upset if you tried to type while driving. It's not too healthy for the kids, either. Glad you don't do that.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Sadly, the Ninth stopped looking at what really happened in Wake's courtroom once it found lack of ripeness. It wasn't ripe, so the Ninth said it never happened.

If there is a next time, once the ripeness issue is no longer relevant, if the judge runs the trial like Wake did, the Ninth will then get to rule on the particulars of the case and the trial.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the Ninth's ruling implied that Wake's trial was without flaw, but simply not ripe. You're wrong.

And Oprah would be really upset if you tried to type while driving. It's not too healthy for the kids, either. Glad you don't do that.

Are you saying Bybee didn't look past the ripeness issue and didn't comment on both ripeness, merit and the need for judicial relief for the west pilots related to USAPA's failure to uphold its DFR duties? Did he agree with Wake on the merits or not?

 

[cactusboy53]

AWA was a few months from BK when the merger was announced. Ask Parker. Now, can we "move" on???

Proof? Otherwise it's your mormal BS, Jamie. AAA was in Ch. 11 and moving rapidly toward Ch. 7 (source: investment banker involved with AAA, and a recent consultant for USAPA).

Parker had said AWA might have gone into bankruptcy had the merger not taken place Pure speculation on his part.

 

[EastUS1]

Are you saying Bybee didn't look past the ripeness issue and didn't comment on both ripeness, merit and the need for judicial relief for the west pilots related to USAPA's failure to uphold its DFR duties? Did he agree with Wake on the merits or not?

Sigh!...It's of course; entirely inconceivable that any court anywhere could ever disagree with you mighty "spartans", and even when they, like the 9th or Silver's have...history shows that you'll just willfully choose to disbelieve it.

 

[end_of_alpa]

And we were in bankruptcy and just about C7. Ask Parker. Still hate your kids?

I have "mean-agers". I love them all the time, I'm now liking them most of the time and only "hate" them some of the time. I have been advised it gets better. I'm hopeful.

 

[EastUS1]

Proof? Otherwise it's your mormal BS, Jamie. AAA was in Ch. 11 and moving rapidly toward Ch. 7 (source: investment banker involved with AAA, and a recent consultant for USAPA).

Parker had said AWA might have gone into bankruptcy had the merger not taken place Pure speculation on his part.

I give you Dumbo's flying elephants ride in Fantasyland at it's best. Correct me if I'm wrong here...but...umm...isn't this now 2013, and did the US side cease to exist? No? Did AWA do anything of the sort as well? No? WHY then, and by what perverse mechanism of supposed "thought" do/can any now concern themselves with such utterly nonsensical, pure fantasies?

This place is a nerverending source of amusement.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Proof? Otherwise it's your mormal BS, Jamie. AAA was in Ch. 11 and moving rapidly toward Ch. 7 (source: investment banker involved with AAA, and a recent consultant for USAPA).

Parker had said AWA might have gone into bankruptcy had the merger not taken place Pure speculation on his part.

That is the most absurd statement I've ever heard. Parker was running the company, not those investment bankers that came to the USAPA meeting. You're so full of bs Dave. My dog is an investment banker and oh, BTW, the "investment" bankers were making all the right calls in the Great Recession. In any case enjoy your juniority. SYIC sucker.

 

[EastUS1]

I have "mean-agers". I love them all the time, I'm now liking them most of the time and only "hate" them some of the time. I have been advised it gets better. I'm hopeful.

Take heart end...they WILL live through it and actually become people! One need only not succumb to the seemingly reasonable thought, that will sometimes arise, concerning hanging one as an example to the other(s).

 

[end_of_alpa]

Take heart end...they WILL live through it and actually become people! One need only not succumb to the seemingly reasonable thought, that will sometimes arise, concerning hanging one as an example to the other(s).

I'm getting plenty of that reasonable thought from Dave.

 

[EastUS1]

I'm getting plenty of that reasonable thought from Dave.

Indeed sir. It's all been well-experienced before our time: "When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years." -Mark Twain

 

[Zone5]

Are you saying Bybee didn't look past the ripeness issue and didn't comment on both ripeness, merit and the need for judicial relief for the west pilots related to USAPA's failure to uphold its DFR duties? Did he agree with Wake on the merits or not?

Bybee's dissenting and minority views/opinions stated in the 9th appeal of the DFR-I case, clearly demonstrates why appeal panels and for that matter, arbitration panels are comprised of three or more members. Sometimes a single "wise one" turns out to be not so much.


seajay

 

[N924PS]

Bybee's dissenting and minority views/opinions stated in the 9th appeal of the DFR-I case, clearly demonstrates why appeal panels and for that matter, arbitration panels are comprised of three or more members. Sometimes a single "wise one" turns out to be not so much.


seajay

Yeah. And sometimes two out of three can be wrong, even if they are the majority.

Bybee was spot on.

 

[EastUS1]

Yeah. And sometimes two out of three can be wrong, even if they are the majority.

Sigh!...Yeah..and "sometimes", even self-seeking, narcicisstic jerkoffs, fat with their own DOH placing, and only whining over what "they" can get, and how easy "their" commute "should" be, and who so eagerly would seel out any for your own benefit, can be wrong, even if you ain't any majority.

You never were any universally accepted PSA type...not hardly Miramar Club material in your wildest, wet dreams, callsign Dipsh-t...and it's frankly just disgusting to have your whiny, self-obssesed, infantile arse even remotely associated with any of the rest of us. Run your "avatar" MD-80 all you like. We all know that's the "baddest rocketship" you could ever handle in your finest fantasies.

I hereby annoint you an honorary "spartan". Now get lost, aged but still, just and forever more, worthless little punk.

Or: Wager's always open. Dazzle me. Show me whatcha' got..."fellow" PSA...ummm..."pilot"....?

 

[snapthis]

Yeah. And sometimes two out of three can be wrong, even if they are the majority.

Bybee was spot on.

The other two were indecisive. Judges should make decisions, not kick the can down the road.

Judge Pirro is tough. The Boston bomber and his mother are lucky the won't be facing Jeanine Justice. The 9th could use a Judge Pirro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMkQF5xeWZM