jimntx
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Not by anyone other than company cheerleaders. Refusal to roll over and let the company have its way with you does not constitute footdragging.
APA getting a tad nervous?
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"clearly up for debate"?
Maybe for the village idiots.
Just ignore the court testimony from Brundage about "kicking the can down the road"
[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]What is the potential for exiting Chapter 11 without consensual deals?[/background]
[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]Look, as a legal matter, the company is able to exit Chapter 11 and to have a plan of reorganization confirmed by doing one of two things – either reaching a consensual deal or getting an abrogation order like Judge Lane issued today with respect to the APA. Either of those things provides the basis for American to move forward.[/background]
[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/09/jack-butler-talks-consensual-agreements-short-fuses-equity-stakes-and-other-matters-in-american-airlines-bankruptcy-case.html/[/background]
Super FLUF
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Technically correct, but not that simple. Despite what is said publicly by people such as Jack Butler, things are very different when negotiating behind closed doors. This guy stepped on his ---- in court, and is now backtracking as fast as he can.
According to our union leaders, the company is slowly rolling out changes to our contract which will be........drum roll please.........Our current Green Book with items from the LBFO.
What a joke this process is.
TWU informer
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- Nov 4, 2003
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Here in Tulsa, it seems there really wasn't a plan on how to implement the changes.
It was just a wish list without any plan on what it would look like and how to implement.
No wonder the TWU always appears to be running the base and we get nowhere fast!
I think they really just wanted the pensions, but since the buffett was open they went for the "all you can eat".
Now nobody knows what to do. Bad case of medical grade heartburn and indigestion.
Super FLUF
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This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Monday, Sept. 10.
APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS INITIATE STRIKE BALLOTING: The APA Board of Directors convened a special meeting at union headquarters in Fort Worth today beginning at 1 p.m. Central. Nearly a hundred members packed the board room. For their first order of business following APA President Keith Wilson’s address, the Board directed immediate strike authorization balloting of the membership. Voting instructions will be printed and mailed immediately to all pilots eligible to vote. Online voting will begin at noon CDT on Wednesday, Sept. 12 and will continue through noon CDT on Wednesday, Oct. 3. Results will be announced later that day. Members will find a link to Ballot Point’s Web site prominently displayed on the members’ home page of alliedpilots.org beginning on Wednesday.
In a related motion, the Board also ordered an immediate increase of 300 percent to the Strike Preparedness Committee budget to accommodate an anticipated increase in union activity.
Negotiating Committee Chairman First Officer Neil Roghair briefed the Board on the committee’s meeting with management late Friday regarding their implementation of contractual changes. In general terms, management indicated that they plan to impose a blend of elements from their “last, best, final offer” and from the April 19 term sheet. More specifically, management noted that they will proceed with imposing items from the “last, best, final offer” that are common to other work groups. Management also noted that in areas where changes would be difficult to reverse—for example, changes requiring a large amount of computer programming—they would likely impose items from their “last, best, final offer.” Notably, management indicated that they do not plan to furlough any pilots. In highly sensitive areas such as pension and sick, First Officer Roghair described management’s approach as “specifically vague,” with few details about how they may proceed. A Negotiating Update will be published later this week with more details.
Great in 3 years when the NMB releases you, you'll be ready or working in China.
odie01
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3 years isin't bad considering the twu ok'ed outsourcing of our 777's in 6 months, not to mention most all of our heavy checks. Pilot balls seem to hang alittle lower than the twu mouse balls.
Super Bowl holiday?? Really
The Super Bowl holiday got tossed into the mix and became a lightning rod based on the following:
AA has always complained about pilots going sick on holidays and major events. I'm not sure, but didn't many other employee groups get holiday pay in the past? APA had straight pay/365. Even idiotic ground school classes are held on Xmas Eve and Day at straight pay.
APA in a "catch all" point said AA should pay extra on specified "problem attendance" days during the year, just like any other section in the contract we were trying to improve. The bad news is, and I agree it was stupid, is that the Super Bowl pay got put into print.
It's not just the Super Bowl Holiday bs. The pilots made a series of crazy demands under the Lloyd Hill and David Bates administrations.
Taking the negotiations more seriously back then might have enabled all of us to avoid the giant mess we are in now.
Taking the negotiations more seriously back then might have enabled all of us to avoid the giant mess we are in now.
don't forget when the APA wanted the higher non-rev classification ( C-2 ) for the pilots and their family's. Or when we had mechs as flight engineers ( 2 stripers ) then the APA brought them into the APA and no longer were mechs becoming FE's but the FE's were junior pilots.
Captain Reality
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Yeah,blame the pilot's. It' s all our fault that you other people aren't willing to strike AA. Look at the TWU(FLEET SERVICE). They hold protests over dfw,Sinterpork, but then vote yes to the first contract thrown their way. The Tulsa dummies wouldn't strike even if their lives depended on it.
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