Anybody have any info about the new manager of DFW?

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I heard he hates puppies.... that might just be a rumor though.

 

[700UW]

I heard he hates backward thinking right wing nut jobs who cant think for themselves.

 

[Duke787]

...Or a good reason to craft strong(er) CS language at the earliest opportunity...

In theory that's great, but the IAM has already proven they got worse CS language then what AA gave us, and you're going to trust the TWU!

With the joint representation that the AFL CIO has arranged for us, more division like between line and OH, now we will have line, OH, AA, and USAir mech divisions.

Delta no union and they're doing great, United I think they turned down a $11k bonus, SWA one union(non AFL-CIO) AMFA they're doing great, FEDEX no union doing great.

AA we have TWU, a decade plus of the worst contract.

NO UNION.

The hope of the IAM/TWU giving us an industry leading contract, is pretty dim. So I say why pay the juice to a union that gets us the worst contract.

 

[700UW]

I posted the language, its a guaranteed item in the CBA, your CS isnt and can be changed at anytime.
 
Everyone at US likes the Shift Swap policy in the CBA.
 
Many commuters use it, they work double, double, single and have four days off.

 

[Kev3188]

In theory that's great, but the IAM has already proven they got worse CS language then what AA gave us, and you're going to trust the TWU!

With the joint representation that the AFL CIO has arranged for us, more division like between line and OH, now we will have line, OH, AA, and USAir mech divisions.

Delta no union and they're doing great, United I think they turned down a $11k bonus, SWA one union(non AFL-CIO) AMFA they're doing great, FEDEX no union doing great.

AA we have TWU, a decade plus of the worst contract.

NO UNION.

The hope of the IAM/TWU giving us an industry leading contract, is pretty dim. So I say why pay the juice to a union that gets us the worst contract.

Trust the TWU? No thanks, but that's not an indictment on being union as a whole.

As for going non union, careful what you wish for. I work at DL, and trade policies vary by station, and even then aren't always consistently applied. In my station it's a total trainwreck...

 

[john john]

Why anger 7300 give or take mechs.

You really have to ask this question

 

[737823]

Trust the TWU? No thanks, but that's not an indictment on being union as a whole.

As for going non union, careful what you wish for. I work at DL, and trade policies vary by station, and even then aren't always consistently applied. In my station it's a total trainwreck...

Seems you are conflating poor leadership at one station with poor leadership across the board for management/unorganized workplaces.

Josh

 

[737823]

It's getting pretty clear that you like making big issues out of things you have no experience with... makes you a perfect candidate to be a shop steward if you're not already one.

+1 Awesome

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Seems you are conflating poor leadership at one station with poor leadership across the board for management/unorganized workplaces.

Josh

 
Cute.
 
I'm simply sharing my contrasting experiences as someone who has dealt with CS language under both a CBA and under non-union "policies and procedures."

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I heard he hates backward thinking right wing nut jobs who cant think for themselves.

[SIZE=10.5pt]I try to leave politics out of the AA section unless it specifically covers the airline industry. Can we [/SIZE]TRY to keep it in The Water Cooler please? Have some class, if that is possible.

 

[Bob Owens]

A good reason to go non union, the CS policy that AA management has given us is better then the one the IAM has negotiated. True the CS policy does get threatened, but the policy has always been improved.

What does the US/IAM CS language say that you object to?
 
In negotiations we were using the CO/IBT language but we didn't get far with it. Don only let it in as a delaying tactic. 
 
The problem is as has been pointed out that if you don't have it in the contract the company can change it. You may have a good CS policy in ORD but NY may not. Same company, different station, different rules depending on management. Ours is a carry over from Cobbett (R.I.P) who was about as vindictive as they come. Yes there have been improvements since his departure but its still better to have minimums in the contract, putting in the contract does not limit improvements as long as they are applied equally. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Trust the TWU? No thanks, but that's not an indictment on being union as a whole.

As for going non union, careful what you wish for. I work at DL, and trade policies vary by station, and even then aren't always consistently applied. In my station it's a total trainwreck...

At American Airlines in Tulsa CS policy can vary by title group at the same location. The TUL and TULE Fleet Service workers used a different CS policy.
 
Fleet Service at TULE when I first started in 2000 did not have a CS policy. We got that only a few years ago.
Fleet Service at TULE could give away up to 50 percent of their time every six months. They were not allowed to work more than one 16 hour day per week. TUL had the same 50 percent rule but not the 16 hour rule.
Mechanics at TULE can not give away time. They can only swap days or trade shifts. That may differ per hanger/dock. I only have information from 2 docks about Mechanic CS practices, both in different hangers.
Title 2 as far as I know can not CS at all.

 

[700UW]

And how is that better than a consistent Shift Swap policy contained in all the US/IAM CBAs?

 

[Bob Owens]

And how is that better than a consistent Shift Swap policy contained in all the US/IAM CBAs?

I think LaLa was agreeing with you.
 
Its better for DUKE787 because in his location he gets what he wants and for him that's all that matters, he already admitted he would rather be non-union. (As long as he is getting what he wants that is.)
 
The company is generally is more liberal in the Line stations with the CS policy because if they didn't offer flexibility on the line (which is how the line guys have learned to deal with the concessions) that would be the straw that broke the Camels back. They would rebel. If the company forced all the line guys to work their assigned shifts with no deviations the only alternative for them to be able to survive would be to generate as much OT as possible, that means airplanes sitting in hangars instead of flying, do you really think a guy working back to back doubles is going to try and generate more work? He wants to cover his ass, get his assignments done and get home or to his second job. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

And how is that better than a consistent Shift Swap policy contained in all the US/IAM CBAs?

 

I think LaLa was agreeing with you.