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I blocked WT a while back, and it's made perusing through this forum so much better. Basically, 50% less bullsh*t.
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I blocked WT a while back, and it's made perusing through this forum so much better. Basically, 50% less bullsh*t.
All that and all you have to do is ignore ONE person. Sad really, but immensely more enjoyment of the forum.
silverbird007
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Yea I did the same thing a couple of months ago and your right we can actually discuss and/or read post about AA and not Delta. Maybe if everybody blocks WT he will finally go away. I see where he still posts but i dont even click on them. Its always the same old broken record. Good feature for the forum. I like AA and hope we succeed etc but I done feel the need to prove to anybody that we are superior or go into 5 paragraphs about why we are so much better then any other airline. I do have friends and ex coworkers that work for United , US Airways and Delta. I enjoy having United commuters on board but the Delta fas dont seem as friendly (with exceptions of course) I guess they are the ones drinking too much koolaid! LOL
WorldTraveler
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except that it doesn't change the facts that I have repeatedly said that alot of people don't want to hear..... including that US plus WON'T be the largest airline, surpassing UA and DL, despite the fact that everyone recognizes that there will be a significant amount of capacity cut from the combined AA/US - doing so is part of the justification for the merger from Parker - yet when they calculate size of the carriers, they use current DL and UA along with current AA and US.
The reality is that it will take years if ever for AA and US to fully integrate and gain any revenue benefits while still bearing all of the cost benefits. Further, DL is flying mainline jobs in some of AA and US' largest markets - something no other carrier has done for years - and is gaining 25% or more market share in some of those markets.
And DL RASM continues to outperform the industry while reducing costs using methods that other carriers can't touch.
As for UA, UA is gaining market share from AA in ORD and LAX, the key AA/UA competitive markets that are part of AA's cornerstone - or whatever they are calling the strategy this month.
WN continues to push into key AA markets as does B6.
So, the notion that AA/US will be the largest airline when the dust all settles from a revenue standpoint - asssuming the building isn't knocked down in all the reconstruction - is slim to none.
That's probably why AA mgmt continues to push for an AA standalone emergence even while not outright shutting the door in Parker's face due to demands from the creditors but still reducing the value of a merger for US stockholders and differing on key aspects of a proposed merger including the transition costs and revenue synergies.
ANd then we all recognize the labor turmoil at AA added on to what exists at US will most certainly be a death sentence.
So, I'll just keep posting every detail of how AA/US won't cut it -and perhaps AA won't cut it on its own.
If you feel the need to hide under a rock and ignore the truth, you go right ahead.
The reality is that it will take years if ever for AA and US to fully integrate and gain any revenue benefits while still bearing all of the cost benefits. Further, DL is flying mainline jobs in some of AA and US' largest markets - something no other carrier has done for years - and is gaining 25% or more market share in some of those markets.
And DL RASM continues to outperform the industry while reducing costs using methods that other carriers can't touch.
As for UA, UA is gaining market share from AA in ORD and LAX, the key AA/UA competitive markets that are part of AA's cornerstone - or whatever they are calling the strategy this month.
WN continues to push into key AA markets as does B6.
So, the notion that AA/US will be the largest airline when the dust all settles from a revenue standpoint - asssuming the building isn't knocked down in all the reconstruction - is slim to none.
That's probably why AA mgmt continues to push for an AA standalone emergence even while not outright shutting the door in Parker's face due to demands from the creditors but still reducing the value of a merger for US stockholders and differing on key aspects of a proposed merger including the transition costs and revenue synergies.
ANd then we all recognize the labor turmoil at AA added on to what exists at US will most certainly be a death sentence.
So, I'll just keep posting every detail of how AA/US won't cut it -and perhaps AA won't cut it on its own.
If you feel the need to hide under a rock and ignore the truth, you go right ahead.
johnny kat
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WT, it seems everyone is ganging up on you. I wish you were a US employee. We could then see a different perspective on things as only you can spin.
Swelbar brings up a couple of things that stand out. One of them is the notion that the combined AA/US will be DLs largest competitor. And there is only so much capacity needed on the east coast. Although he points out that DL is the leader at the present time, the fact is that if a merger occurs it will siphon passengers away from DL. DL isn't in any danger because of this, it just means that a few of DL's plans will have to be modified to accomodate a competitor that is much more capable of competing successfully with the mega carrier.
In other words...the same number of people on the east coast will be flying, except the majority will not be flying on DL metal. So WT, your loyalty to DL is commendable, the traveling public will benefit more from sustainable/stable competition than less. Sorry to burst your bubble my friend.
Swelbar brings up a couple of things that stand out. One of them is the notion that the combined AA/US will be DLs largest competitor. And there is only so much capacity needed on the east coast. Although he points out that DL is the leader at the present time, the fact is that if a merger occurs it will siphon passengers away from DL. DL isn't in any danger because of this, it just means that a few of DL's plans will have to be modified to accomodate a competitor that is much more capable of competing successfully with the mega carrier.
In other words...the same number of people on the east coast will be flying, except the majority will not be flying on DL metal. So WT, your loyalty to DL is commendable, the traveling public will benefit more from sustainable/stable competition than less. Sorry to burst your bubble my friend.
WorldTraveler
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I enjoy being the contrarian and having everyone "ganging up" on me....
because it makes all the more sweet when I can say that I had it right all along.
Swelbar didn't comment after he had seen the first public results from DL's LGA expansion where DL's growth has been strongest in AA and US markets. You do realize that DL has already achieved 25% market share in several of AA and US' key LGA markets, which happen to be some of their largest markets on their system.
So, in fact, right now, the same number of people are flying LGA-MIA/CLT/PIT/DFW/STL etc but DL is already carrying a significant portion of them.
TO somehow think that AA/US is going to reverse the changes that DL has already put in place and then move traffic that AA and US have been losing for years is a bit of a stretch.
The evidence is solely on the side of AA and US continuing to lose market share to other carriers.
And may I remind you that DL is just the legacy carrier that is taking AA/US share.
B6 and WN have been doing the same.
Remember all the articles about WN's growth in ATL and all the progmostications of what WN would do?
WN has not moved its share even one percentage point above FL's AND they continue to pull cities out of ATL and redistribute them to other WN "hubs" and reduce flights in ATL.
I accumulated oodles of negative votes from people who were convinced that DL would fall to WN... I like going back and look at that thread just to remember who got it wrong.
I have a feeling this thread will be one of the same.
You let me know DL starts losing share to AA or US, together or alone. The evidence has been overwhelmingly against both of them for years... to somehow think that a marriage is going to change how two singles have acted is more than fanciful.
because it makes all the more sweet when I can say that I had it right all along.
Swelbar didn't comment after he had seen the first public results from DL's LGA expansion where DL's growth has been strongest in AA and US markets. You do realize that DL has already achieved 25% market share in several of AA and US' key LGA markets, which happen to be some of their largest markets on their system.
So, in fact, right now, the same number of people are flying LGA-MIA/CLT/PIT/DFW/STL etc but DL is already carrying a significant portion of them.
TO somehow think that AA/US is going to reverse the changes that DL has already put in place and then move traffic that AA and US have been losing for years is a bit of a stretch.
The evidence is solely on the side of AA and US continuing to lose market share to other carriers.
And may I remind you that DL is just the legacy carrier that is taking AA/US share.
B6 and WN have been doing the same.
Remember all the articles about WN's growth in ATL and all the progmostications of what WN would do?
WN has not moved its share even one percentage point above FL's AND they continue to pull cities out of ATL and redistribute them to other WN "hubs" and reduce flights in ATL.
I accumulated oodles of negative votes from people who were convinced that DL would fall to WN... I like going back and look at that thread just to remember who got it wrong.
I have a feeling this thread will be one of the same.
You let me know DL starts losing share to AA or US, together or alone. The evidence has been overwhelmingly against both of them for years... to somehow think that a marriage is going to change how two singles have acted is more than fanciful.
Your are nothing more than a forum bully.....You stand there and thump your chest that you are the greatest...you are the smartest...you are the biggest....Kinda funny you never thump your chest over on the SW, UA or B6 boards..You stated that 'it's makes it all the more sweet when you had it right all along" is that what your life is all about? It's just boogles me that with your vast knowledge of the industry, you are not employeed by an airline...
diamondcutter
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Just pay no attention to Jimmity Cricket aka WT . He spins his cane round and round with the same damn lesson!!!!
WorldTraveler
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except that I have repeatedly mentioned what WN and B6 are doing but you and others conveniently ignore those facts to paint the picture as nothing but a DL lovefest.
You might want to take the jade-colored glasses off and realize that DL IS a network/legacy airline in the same form as AA, UA, and US and thus it really is the most accurate comparison.
The simple fact is that AA and US have lost significant amounts of share to DL in the past decade. Add in WN and B6 and the gap grows even bigger.
Don't like to hear it? Then I suggest you also quit whining about your pay and benefits at those two airlines and also make it clear to everyone else on here not to post stuff saying that AA/US will dominate the east coast and push DL into oblivion.
TO believe that AA and/or US, individually or as one airline, can stem the incursion of other carriers, including DL, into its key markets is a pipe dream at best.
Internet bully? Only to those who want to live with their heads in the sand, devoid from reality, and with aspirations that have little likelihood of happening.
Truth teller is probably a lot more accurate... and the reason what I have to say is so unpopular is because this board is most heavily populated by, guess what, AA and US employees.
As if the truth respects the audience that happens to show up to hear it.
And as if the truth will be silenced just because it is offensive to a few tender ears.
And you might also go back and look at the original post on this thread as well as pages and pages of responses from other participants who are equally as unconvinced that AA or US have what it takes to do what the snake oil salesman are trying to sell.
diamondcutter
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No one respond to him
WorldTraveler
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and then I have free reign to post what I want... that is an intelligent strategy.
How about instead you learn to deal with the world as it actually exists instead of the one you actually want.
This forum used to have plenty of participants beyond AA and US employees and there were a whole lot more topics than just complaining about management and fighting between labor unions. UA people left this forum. Most of the DL and PMNW people have left. WN has never had a great number of participants on this forum. Do you think it might be because have decided that hanging around w/ a bunch of labor malcontents ranks right up there with getting the annual GI exam?
If you want a forum where you are insulated from the outside world and free from discussions about anything other than labor issues, then be my guest in starting another one. As long as this board is open, I'll post the real world as it actually exists.
And I'll probably also get the last word if there are those who don't want to listen to or dialogue about the world that is different from the one they want to see.
How about instead you learn to deal with the world as it actually exists instead of the one you actually want.
This forum used to have plenty of participants beyond AA and US employees and there were a whole lot more topics than just complaining about management and fighting between labor unions. UA people left this forum. Most of the DL and PMNW people have left. WN has never had a great number of participants on this forum. Do you think it might be because have decided that hanging around w/ a bunch of labor malcontents ranks right up there with getting the annual GI exam?
If you want a forum where you are insulated from the outside world and free from discussions about anything other than labor issues, then be my guest in starting another one. As long as this board is open, I'll post the real world as it actually exists.
And I'll probably also get the last word if there are those who don't want to listen to or dialogue about the world that is different from the one they want to see.
wings396
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The last word is always a top priority for those who feel nobody really cares. Being lonley and only talking to hear your own head roar is a sure sign. The DL boards have dried up to a dust bowl, now you have came here to draw the negation attention that you hunger for..
Sad indeed.
Sad indeed.
WorldTraveler
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you said that a long time ago... yet you are still here.
The DL, WN, and UA forums have virtually no activity because there is very little activity WRT labor which is 99% of what these boards consist of.
The other 1% are people who have been pushing the AA/US merger for two weeks shy of 1 year since AA went into BK.....
It is precisely some of those same people who don't want to hear that AA/US aren't doing as well as the corporate heads say...
It is for those who actually want to have some semblence of connection with the real environment in the airline industry that I write what I do.....
if that is being a lonely bully, then perhaps those who have pushed the AA/US merger for so long should be taking a real long hard look in the mirror.
I have no problem w/ anyone being deeply committed to a cause... but pushing that cause while running from very obvious realities is not exactly what you would call a well-adjusted person. Calling someone else problematic because they won't line up w/ your distorted view of the world is way over the top.
It's not like anything that is said on these forums really will change the world... but the information might change some people's perception of it.
The DL, WN, and UA forums have virtually no activity because there is very little activity WRT labor which is 99% of what these boards consist of.
The other 1% are people who have been pushing the AA/US merger for two weeks shy of 1 year since AA went into BK.....
It is precisely some of those same people who don't want to hear that AA/US aren't doing as well as the corporate heads say...
It is for those who actually want to have some semblence of connection with the real environment in the airline industry that I write what I do.....
if that is being a lonely bully, then perhaps those who have pushed the AA/US merger for so long should be taking a real long hard look in the mirror.
I have no problem w/ anyone being deeply committed to a cause... but pushing that cause while running from very obvious realities is not exactly what you would call a well-adjusted person. Calling someone else problematic because they won't line up w/ your distorted view of the world is way over the top.
It's not like anything that is said on these forums really will change the world... but the information might change some people's perception of it.
Kev3188
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What you post is occasionally of academic interest. The problem I suspect many have with them is your increasingly boorish delivery. The good stuff is drowned out by your hubris.
That's right- labor issues are a huge portion of this website's traffic. Instead of constantly bulldozing your way through threads, you oughta consider that one of the main purposes this board serves is for employees to vent/commiserate/whatever. That may not be what you want to discuss, but that's just how it is. You don't get to dictate the direction topics take anymore than anyone else.
Stop being so hell bent on being right, and recognize that maybe this isn't the website for you. I'm not saying leave or to quit posting; only that there's likely a site out there with a membership more into discussing the things you're interested in than here.
That's right- labor issues are a huge portion of this website's traffic. Instead of constantly bulldozing your way through threads, you oughta consider that one of the main purposes this board serves is for employees to vent/commiserate/whatever. That may not be what you want to discuss, but that's just how it is. You don't get to dictate the direction topics take anymore than anyone else.
Stop being so hell bent on being right, and recognize that maybe this isn't the website for you. I'm not saying leave or to quit posting; only that there's likely a site out there with a membership more into discussing the things you're interested in than here.
