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Actually, I'm sure gun shops are major supporters of Barrack..........wonder why ?


If only we had a ban on knives !


Runnin' low on vest bombs !

What do you mean you wonder why? The NRA has created this panic hysteria that guns will be confiscated or limited that the general populace (read idiots) are buying into so they run out and try and buuy what ever they can before it gets banned or confiscated. The shops are making a fortune of the idiots because they do not have the faintest idea how government works.
 
OK Einstein. Please explain to the class how the increase in gun sales has anything to do with Obama.
 
So, according to your very imformative video Dell and in closing, Barrack and his posse prefer larger exit holes, over smaller ones !
 
Just another "It's not Barrack's fault" moment !

Well...Ms Tree is right...if the gunshop owners want to thank Obama, then that would be nice of them, but the NRA has started this panic that "they will take away our guns" that they have increased demand for guns. And like any good demand...when you're there to get you AR15 before those friendly little "wouldn't hurt a flea" weapons are banned, you might also want to pick up a marked up pistol or shotgun because the hysteria is that they will take ALL our guns.

My daughters boyfriends parents were thinking of getting a gun for range shooting, but then Sandy Hook happened and gun prices went thru the roof. So they are going to wait for the hysteria to die down and and the gun they wanted, which is in no danger of being banned, comes down in price.
 
OK Einstein. Please explain to the class how the increase in gun sales has anything to do with Obama.

As prior director of the Joyce Foundation he might have an agenda, maybe.

Think this might have helped?

PJ Media
As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience,but he remains strangely silent about his eight years (1994-2002) as a director of the Joyce Foundation, a billion dollar tax-exempt organization. He has one obvious reason: during his time as director, Joyce Foundation spent millions creating and supporting anti-gun organizations.
There is another, less known, reason.
During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program targeting the Supreme Court. The work began five years into Obama’s directorship, when the Foundation had experience in turning its millions into anti-gun “grassroots” organizations, but none at converting cash into legal scholarship.
The plan’s objective was bold: the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment.
Joyce’s directors found a vulnerable point. When judges cannot rely upon past decisions, they sometimes turn to law review articles. Law reviews are impartial, and famed for meticulous cite-checking. They are also produced on a shoestring. Authors of articles receive no compensation; editors are law students who work for a tiny stipend.
In 1999, midway through Obama’s tenure, the Joyce board voted to grant the Chicago-Kent Law Review $84,000, a staggering sum by law review standards. The Review promptly published an issue in which all articles attacked the individual right view of the Second Amendment.
In a breach of law review custom, Chicago-Kent let an “outsider” serve as editor; he was Carl Bogus, a faculty member of a different law school. Bogus had a unique distinction: he had been a director of Handgun Control Inc. (today’s Brady Campaign), and was on the advisory board of the Joyce-funded Violence Policy Center.
Bogus solicited only articles hostile to the individual right view of the Second Amendment, offering authors $5,000 each. But word leaked out, and Prof. Randy Barnett of Boston University volunteered to write in defense of the individual right to arms. Bogus refused to allow him to write for the review, later explaining that “sometimes a more balanced debate is best served by an unbalanced symposium.” Prof. James Lindgren, a former Chicago-Kent faculty member, remembers that when Barnett sought an explanation he “was given conflicting reasons, but the opposition of the Joyce Foundation was one that surfaced at some time.” Joyce had bought a veto power over the review’s content.
Joyce Foundation apparently believed it held this power over the entire university. Glenn Reynolds later recalled that when he and two other professors were scheduled to discuss the Second Amendment on campus, Joyce’s staffers “objected strenuously” to their being allowed to speak, protesting that Joyce Foundation was being cheated by an “‘agenda of balance’ that was inconsistent with the Symposium’s purpose.” Joyce next bought up an issue of Fordham Law Review.
The plan worked smoothly. One court, in the course of ruling that there was no individual right to arms, cited the Chicago-Kent articles eight times. Then, in 2001, a federal Court of Appeals in Texas determined that the Second Amendment was an individual right.
The Joyce Foundation board (which still included Obama) responded by expanding its attack on the Second Amendment. Its next move came when Ohio State University announced it was establishing the “Second Amendment Research Center” as a thinktank headed by anti-individual-right historian Saul Cornell. Joyce put up no less than $400,000 to bankroll its creation. The grant was awarded at the board’s December 2002 meeting,Obama’s last function as a Joyce director. In reporting the grant, the OSU magazine Making History made clear that the purpose was to influence a future Supreme Court case:

“The effort is timely: a series of test cases – based on a new wave of scholarship, a recent decision by a federal Court of Appeals in Texas, and a revised Justice Department policy-are working their way through the courts. The litigants challenge the courts’ traditional reading of the Second Amendment as a protection of the states’ right to organize militia, asserting that the Amendment confers a much broader right for individuals to own guns. The United States Supreme Court is likely to resolve the debate within the next three to five years.”​

The Center proceeded to generate articles denying the individual right to arms. The OSU connection also gave Joyce an academic money laundry. When it decided to buy an issue of the Stanford Law and Policy Review, it had a cover. Joyce handed OSU $125,000 for that purpose; all the law review editors knew was that OSU’s Foundation granted them that breathtaking sum, and a helpful Prof. Cornell volunteered to organize the issue. (The review was later sufficiently embarassed to publish an open letter on the affair).
The Joyce directorate’s plan almost succeeded. The individual rights view won out in the Heller Supreme Court appeal, but only by 5-4. The four dissenters were persuaded in part by Joyce-funded writings, down to relying on an article which misled them on critical historical documents.
Having lost that fight, Obama now claims he always held the individual rights view of the Second Amendment, and that he “respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms.” But as a Joyce director, Obama was involved in a wealthy foundation’s attempt to manipulate the Supreme Court, buy legal scholarship, and obliterate the individual right to arms.
Voters who value the Constitution should ask whether someone who was party to that plan should be nominating future Supreme Court justices.


Joyce Foundation Funded Groups

50 Caliber Terror Ban 50 Cal rifles. Was part of the FSA (The 50caliberterror.com site no longer exists and does not redirect)

Ban Handguns Now Anti-Handgun website ran by the VPC (The banhandgunsnow.org site no longer exists and does not redirect)

CeaseFire New Jersey New Jersey based Anti-gun organization, was part of the FSA, now a part of SUPGV. Currently found as a chapter of CFPA (The ceasefirenj.com site no longer exists but the domain name was purchased by pro-gun group and redirects to their website)

Center for Public Integrity Joyce grant of $75,000 has bought several anti-gun related articles published in various news outlets. Says a lot about their Integrity.

Center to Prevent Youth Violence Formerly known as Pax, which created the ASK (Asking Saves Kids) campaign

Citizens for a Safer Minnesota Minnesota based Anti-gun organization, was part of the FSA (receives Joyce funds directly now). Website still functions but looks to have merged with Brady MMM chapters to form Protect Minnesota

Coalition to Stop Gun Violence/Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) This is a collective anti-gun group made of of many smaller groups (those smaller group's primary focus is not firearms).

Come Together Auction This was the FSA fundraising website. (The cometogetherauction.org site no longer exists and does not redirect)

Freedom States Alliance (FSA) The FSA was a group of anti-gun websites created by a $650,000 grant from the Joyce Foundation. Most issue based websites are offline, it has merged with SUPGV (The freedomstatesalliance.com site no longer exists and does not redirect)

Hoosiers Concerned About Gun Violence Indiana based Anti-gun organization, was part of the FSA, now a part of SUPGV

Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence Illinois based Anti-gun organization, was part of the FSA, now a part of SUPGV. Receives many grants from Joyce, over $1 million since 2006

International Association of Chiefs of Police Grant given to expand membership of LEO's wanting to reduce gun violence

Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence Iowa based Anti-gun organization, Was part of the FSA (The site no longer exists and does not redirect)

Legal Community Against Violence Created to get a group of anti-gun lawyers together. They got a $300,000 grant for 1 year from Joyce in 2010.

License to Murder Anti-Stand-Your-Ground. Was part of the FSA (The licensetomurder.com site no longer exists and does not redirect)

Mayors Against Illegal Guns This is the group of anti-gun big city mayors, created by a $175,000 grant. Given $650,000 from Joyce for 2011.

Media Matters Ultra liberal website that received a $400,000 grant to support gun and public safety initiative.

Meet the NRA Leadership Anti-NRA site that focuses on the NRA Board of Directors. Owned by CSGV, created for them by Richir Outreach.

New England Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence A group of New England based Anti-gun organizations, was part of the FSA, now a part of SUPGV

New Venture Fund Joyce grant says to "support messaging research" with a total grant of $790,000 in 2011

New Yorkers Against Gun Violence New York based Anti-gun organization, was part of the FSA, now a part of SUPGV

Newspaper Loophole Trying to get newspapers to stop placing classified gun ads for private sales (The gunloophole.com site no longer exists and does not redirect)

Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence Ohio based Anti-gun organization, was part of the FSA, now a part of SUPGV

Physicians for Social Responsibility A group of Doctors who are focusing on issues outside of the medical field (guns, global warming, nuclear weapons, etc)

Police Executive Research Forum A national membership organization of progressive police executives. Mainly a group of anti-gun chiefs that gather quotes their members make and pass it off as research.

States United to Prevent Gun Violence (SUPGV) A cover organization to support the smaller groups that could not survive on their own.

StopGunDeaths.org A signup form to receive anti-gun newsletters in the mail. Was part of the FSA (The stopgundeaths.org site no longer exists and does not redirect)

The Joyce Foundation Gives out grants to people and groups to create biased/unsound reports or studies and gives grants to create anti-gun organizations who will inform the press and try to influence lawmakers claiming to be unbiased "experts".

Violence Policy Center (VPC) The VPC creates unscientific studies for media press release, received $700,000 from Joyce for just one year Who is Mary Rosh Anti-John Lott site. Was part of the FSA (The whoismaryrosh.com site no longer exists and does not redirect)

Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort Educational Fund (WAVE) Wisconsin based Anti-gun organization, part of the FSA, received a $250,000 grant from Joyce in 2005
 
Aside from the obvious POV issues with the author, the POTUS in in favor of gun regulations. Wow, that's a news flash for us all now isn't it. He does not believe that the 2nd allows for the random ownership of guns by anyone. Guess what, he is not alone in that belief.

I loved the part about 5-4 decision. The idea that the clerks and the 4 Justices relying on or being influenced by writings by the Joyce foundation has absolutely no support in the article. Funny how when you read SCOTUS cases they usually always rely on case law as support for decisions.

I have not read the opinion but I am willing to bet that a scan of the opinion will not find any references to the Joyce Foundation.

The author certainly did not provide any proof. Let me know if you find any.

By the way, would the beliefs that Bush held on abortion prohibit him from appointing a justice or does that standard just apply to presidents that you disagree with?
 
It's called "Political Theater" and Barrack is a master of it !
Personally, these acts, make me want to heave !
 
It's called "Political Theater" and Barrack is a master of it !
Personally, these acts, make me want to heave !

Yeah....political theatre. Remember when Bush caught the AF1 red eye from Crawford to DC to sign the "let's keep Teri Shiavo alive" bill...then flew back to Crawford immediately after that?

Or how about the time he landed that jet on an Aircraft carrier to proclaim our mission in Iraq to be accomplished
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Obama's a piker compared to this guy
 
Aside from the obvious POV issues with the author, the POTUS in in favor of gun regulations. Wow, that's a news flash for us all now isn't it. He does not believe that the 2nd allows for the random ownership of guns by anyone. Guess what, he is not alone in that belief.

I loved the part about 5-4 decision. The idea that the clerks and the 4 Justices relying on or being influenced by writings by the Joyce foundation has absolutely no support in the article. Funny how when you read SCOTUS cases they usually always rely on case law as support for decisions.

I have not read the opinion but I am willing to bet that a scan of the opinion will not find any references to the Joyce Foundation.

The author certainly did not provide any proof. Let me know if you find any.

By the way, would the beliefs that Bush held on abortion prohibit him from appointing a justice or does that standard just apply to presidents that you disagree with?

I still find it laughable that everybody else has an opinion and a point of view, while you obviously have unlocked the knowledge of the universe. Of course every low life with an opinion is right if they are YOUR kind. Who are your kind? The ones who agree that you are always RIGHT! Your a laughable baffoon at best and not being a citizen, you don't even have an opinion that matters!
 
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