An open letter to the American People,

[delldude]

I am referring to bombings in Israel that occur on a regular basis.

Suicide?? We nixed Saddam and the exploding children of Palestine slowed down big time...

I am not sure what you are referring to regarding El-Al. Securing an airline is far different than securing borders. OH yea, that reminds me. Israel cannot secure their small borders with Lebanon, Syria and Jordan yet you think we can secure ours?
Don't recall making a statement on this

If the US is doing something it is no very effective when no one knows about it now is it?

You can't be that naive now can you? Quite the contrary,secrecy keeps our guys alive...no one knows they're coming works quite well...and BTW what right do you have to know what Military Operations are being carried out when and where?

My guess is that you are just guessing we are doing something. If you had any direct knowledge, you would have just violated the agreement you signed not to tell a soul what you know.

All kinds stuff in history books covering recent ops dude....you kill me....think Uncle Sam changed his ways due to the PC bullshit?

You would have also placed peoples lives in danger including your own.

No ,people like you who have no concept of what it takes to defend a country and people like you, put peoples lives in danger everyday with their whimpy agendas

A Few Real Good Men

 

[Ch. 12]

You call this a Plan?



Yea that will do it alright, first apoligize to the world for going it alone. (which BTW we did not 'go it alone' we just led the way as we always have in the past.) Place rules and demands on a puppet government that is ripe with terrorist influnence, Place 'DEMANDS' on Iran and Syria? of which are both co-sponsoring the insurgency and continue to thumb their noses to the world.

Have'nt we been building and training Iraqi forces from the outset to take over when they are self sufficient?

Hmmm...sounds like staying the course to me.
Unlike you I dont attempt to give the arrogant appearance of being an expert on everything from airline mergers, bankruptcy, union issues, politics, wars, history, economies, ecology, Religion, you name it, it runs the gammit with your superior knowledge of everything. Don't believe me? just go back and scan your 46 pages of posts on this board, anyone can see that you are a self rigtheous egotistical arrogant 'know-it-all'.

I have no conclusive plan genius, just as you nor the loud mouthed leftist of this country. all you can do is demand change with out a defined workable solution.

I will say this one last time, the war on terror will be won with might and not with placing 'demands or rules' on these people, we can show the world that it will not be tolerated with appeasement thru brute force (which BTW is the only thing ISLAM understands) or we can go the route Eurabia is fast becomming thru 'tolerance' as you like to put it and hope we just don't piss anybody off by offending them.

Now back to the topic that you hijacked, are you one of those slumbering catfish?

So you're saying it's impossible to come up with a plan but you are demanding one from everyone else? Interesting. I don't ever state that I know it all...but I do state that I THINK through issues. It's not just all emotions with me (i.e. kill the Islamist freaks as you would say). What motivates people to act against the US? What can we do to correct a situation in Iraq that WE started on erroneous assumptions? What can we do to unite Americans again? What can we do to be in a favorable position in the world again? Is it practical to think that bombing the Shiite out of a region is really going to pacify or will it really incite? These are questions you have to ask yourself. No...there is no golden egg for Iraq, I agree. But to sit on our asses nervously twiddling our thumbs and saying "gotta stay the course b/c there is no EASY answer" is moronic and THAT is what our gov't is doing. WN would have ceased to exist the year after it was formed if they took that ideology. The US would have never existed if the revolutionaries thought that their choice was "easy answer" or "stick with what we've got". It's dumb to not try to figure out at least how to start correcting an issue just b/c it isn't EASY.

And Dell...are we redefining WMDs now to try to justify? Why not call a cat a corncob and we can call it a picnic? Why not call the sky green and the grass blue? We were TOLD that there was no doubt that Saddam was building nukes. We were shown undeniable pictures of tractor trailors...which we were told housed labs for mustard gas and other toxins. THAT is what WMDs were. Now...we KNEW they had fighter aircraft and old weapons/chemicals from the days that we supported their war against Iran. To call that stuff "WMDs" now is pretty desperate. Iraq was not like post-WWII Japan. They were not supposed to be completely disarmed and left with no military. Of course they have fighters and artillary shells. Bush's case for the war was that they had something much, much more and something that could cause catastrophic damage...ultimately to us. We didn't go to Iraq b/c we were afraid that they might have fighters and shells. C'mon...we knew that.

 

[local 12 proud]

So you're saying it's impossible to come up with a plan but you are demanding one from everyone else?

No your the one demanding a plan from me, Ive stated my position.

Interesting. I don't ever state that I know it all...but I do state that I THINK through issues. It's not just all emotions with me (i.e. kill the Islamist freaks as you would say).

Of course you don't ever 'state' you know it all, you just imply it with your arrogant post on every issue brought to the forefront.

What motivates people to act against the US?

This is where you may want to try and educate yourself on ISLAM before its too late for this country like it is for Europe.

What can we do to correct a situation in Iraq that WE started on erroneous assumptions?

Thats your oppinion, we dealt with that tyrant for over a decade with one UN resolution after the next being ignored and having the IAEA booted out. In your mind when is enough, enough? After the fact like 9/11?

What can we do to unite Americans again? What can we do to be in a favorable position in the world again?

When we become appeasers like your liberal brethern in france perhaps!

But to sit on our asses nervously twiddling our thumbs and saying "gotta stay the course b/c there is no EASY answer" is moronic and THAT is what our gov't is doing.

Again I never suggested 'staying the course,' of course change is needed but pulling out and leaving Iraq to the Terrorist is'nt the right course, it will come back to haunt us in Unimaginable ways!

 

[Ch. 12]

No your the one demanding a plan from me, Ive stated my position.

of course I'm demanding one from you b/c over and over you have asked people on these boards what their plan is and then you keep harassing them for one. Finally bit you in the arse when you were asked for one and couldn't come up with anything.

Of course you don't ever 'state' you know it all, you just imply it with your arrogant post on every issue brought to the forefront.

Perhaps you just get pissy b/c I point out flaws in your arguments. It's called DEBATE. If you can't handle it, get out. I post on the issues and you rant with schoolyard taunts half the time. Let's stick to issues like mature human beings.

This is where you may want to try and educate yourself on ISLAM before its too late for this country like it is for Europe.

Funny thing is that your "education" of Islam is from anti-Islam blogs and in reference to muslim extremists...bar far the smallest faction. Oh...and by the way...we have Christian Extremists. Look at McVeigh, Rudolph, and 700. All ready to kill out of ignorance...same as muslim extremists. Do any of them speak for their religion on a whole. Hell no. Why can't you figure that out? Do you think Rush Limbaugh is going to talk favorably about Dems? Same with anti-islam websites. Your sources (like the WV coal miner that you quoted as a "real scientist" to get his view on global warming) are very tainted but you are looking for the spin so I guess you get what you look for.

Thats your oppinion, we dealt with that tyrant for over a decade with one UN resolution after the next being ignored and having the IAEA booted out. In your mind when is enough, enough? After the fact like 9/11?

IRAQ WAS ABOUT AN ASSUMPTION THAT SADDAM HAD WMDs...IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD...WHY CAN'T YOU GRASP THAT?!

When we become appeasers like your liberal brethern in france perhaps!

Is that the best that you have when asked about the US winning back world favor. This ain't the 1800's. The world has globalized and we are isolating ourselves. The economic and political ramifications will be disasterous. Look at N. Korea.

Again I never suggested 'staying the course,' of course change is needed but pulling out and leaving Iraq to the Terrorist is'nt the right course, it will come back to haunt us in Unimaginable ways!

"Keep doing what we're doing" is synonomous with "stay the course". You did use the former...that was your entire plan (though I would consider that more of a position than a plan).

I do agree...leaving Iraq right now would be disasterous. We need to stay there for some time to come. But we should not "keep doing what we're doing". It will take more than a position...it will take a plan. What is yours?

 

[delldude]

And Dell...are we redefining WMDs now to try to justify? Why not call a cat a corncob and we can call it a picnic? Why not call the sky green and the grass blue? We were TOLD that there was no doubt that Saddam was building nukes. We were shown undeniable pictures of tractor trailors...which we were told housed labs for mustard gas and other toxins. THAT is what WMDs were. Now...we KNEW they had fighter aircraft and old weapons/chemicals from the days that we supported their war against Iran. To call that stuff "WMDs" now is pretty desperate. Iraq was not like post-WWII Japan. They were not supposed to be completely disarmed and left with no military. Of course they have fighters and artillary shells. Bush's case for the war was that they had something much, much more and something that could cause catastrophic damage...ultimately to us. We didn't go to Iraq b/c we were afraid that they might have fighters and shells. C'mon...we knew that.

You and your friends are the ones splitting hairs,not I.

U.S. Department of Defense, Proliferation Threat and Response 2001, "Message of the Secretary of Defense," refers to weapons of mass destruction as those with "...capabilities to inflict mass casualties and destruction: nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) weapons or the means to deliver them." (page 4 on the screen)

Lets see.....everything they found over there that the lib media looked the other way on seems like they fit the definition to me .

The definition in the U.S. Code, Title 50, "War and National Defense," includes radiological weapons. It defines WMD as "any weapon or device that is intended, or has the capability, to cause death or serious bodily injury to a significant number of people through the release, dissemination, or impact of - (A) toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors; (B) a disease organism; or © radiation or radioactivity."

Duh

Duh

Double Duh

Fighters flee to Iran- no chance they hid WMD's then?

Wake up...he had a habit of hiding and lying.

 

[700IAM]

You and your friends are the ones splitting hairs,not I.
Lets see.....everything they found over there that the lib media looked the other way on seems like they fit the definition to me .
Duh

Duh

Double Duh

Fighters flee to Iran- no chance they hid WMD's then?

Wake up...he had a habit of hiding and lying.

I don't know why you waste your energy with Ch12, he is on the Twilight Zone Channel, him and Gar are so left the right is impossible for them to comprehend let alone reason. It's a mental disorder, like the book so accurately states, no other possible explanation other than the mental disorder was planted by Satan their God whether they realize it or not. Satan makes people think insane thoughts like what these freaks write daily on here. Take it for what it is, a visible warning of the damage Satan inflicts upon fools.

 

[Ch. 12]

...gibberish b/c he didn't cut and paste from bible...

 

[700IAM]

Like Father like Son....the apples don't fall far....

 

[delldude]

I don't know why you waste your energy with Ch12, he is on the Twilight Zone Channel, him and Gar are so left the right is impossible for them to comprehend let alone reason. It's a mental disorder, like the book so accurately states, no other possible explanation other than the mental disorder was planted by Satan their God whether they realize it or not. Satan makes people think insane thoughts like what these freaks write daily on here. Take it for what it is, a visible warning of the damage Satan inflicts upon fools.

I cain't hear yall through the

backround.....

 

[700IAM]

I cain't hear yall through the

backround.....

put on your cans....

dit dit dah dit

 

[Flying Titan]

Ch 12 -
You've fallen into a foolish trap. You've allowed yourself to get into someone who is a complete idiot. You'll notice that on the "Iraq, what to do next" thread, I didn't even bother to list 700IAM among the conservatives that I would hope to see some sort of ideas from. Any idea that he would come up with (if he were remotely capable) would not be worth the limited time and bandwidth needed for a response. Simply ignore him.

 

[700IAM]

Ch 12 -
You've fallen into a foolish trap. You've allowed yourself to get into someone who is a complete idiot. You'll notice that on the "Iraq, what to do next" thread, I didn't even bother to list 700IAM among the conservatives that I would hope to see some sort of ideas from. Any idea that he would come up with (if he were remotely capable) would not be worth the limited time and bandwidth needed for a response. Simply ignore him.

Hmmm you insulted me...your handle should read: Take a Flying Hike.


I don't know how I am supposed to get to sleep now.


NOTE TO DUDE: Liked your background noise remark, sweet.

 

[Ch. 12]

You and your friends are the ones splitting hairs,not I.
Lets see.....everything they found over there that the lib media looked the other way on seems like they fit the definition to me .

Splitting hairs? I said that we found no WMDs. You post a link that says nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. We KNEW the had chemical weapons b/c we provided those to them under Rummy during past administrations to help fight Iran. So now we have free reign in Iraq and have for years and still can't find an ounce of evidence that they were making any new WMDs. Besides...don't you think Bushie would do another "mission accomplished" carrier landing if he had such hard evidence to back up his debacle? That alone is total proof that we haven't found anything.


As far as fighters fleeing to Iran...again...a fighter jet is nothing. We knew they had a military and they were allowed to have one. Were the fighters made of plutonium and uranium? No...they were fighter jets. And they fled to Iraq's enemy...Iran. Do you think that means that Iraq is going to fill them with biological weapons and fly them in kamikaze missions to the US? You, my friend, are splitting hairs b/c you're desperate to justify our invasion in search of WMDs. Again...Bush and Rummy would have long ago made public addresses to show that we've found REAL WMDs (not re-defined or stretching to classify as) in Iraq but instead they have not b/c we have found none. That's the problem with the pride behind this invasion...nobody can admit any kind of defeat or mistake. Like somebody in AA, we need to move on to fix the problems we now have...but the first step is admitting that we have a problem. If pride won't allow our leadership or its staunch followers to do so, that is only going to make the future more and more bleak...in the M.E. and our own land.

 

[delldude]

Splitting hairs? I said that we found no WMDs. You post a link that says nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. We KNEW the had chemical weapons b/c we provided those to them under Rummy during past administrations to help fight Iran. So now we have free reign in Iraq and have for years and still can't find an ounce of evidence that they were making any new WMDs. Besides...don't you think Bushie would do another "mission accomplished" carrier landing if he had such hard evidence to back up his debacle? That alone is total proof that we haven't found anything.
As far as fighters fleeing to Iran...again...a fighter jet is nothing. We knew they had a military and they were allowed to have one. Were the fighters made of plutonium and uranium? No...they were fighter jets. And they fled to Iraq's enemy...Iran. Do you think that means that Iraq is going to fill them with biological weapons and fly them in kamikaze missions to the US? You, my friend, are splitting hairs b/c you're desperate to justify our invasion in search of WMDs. Again...Bush and Rummy would have long ago made public addresses to show that we've found REAL WMDs (not re-defined or stretching to classify as) in Iraq but instead they have not b/c we have found none. That's the problem with the pride behind this invasion...nobody can admit any kind of defeat or mistake. Like somebody in AA, we need to move on to fix the problems we now have...but the first step is admitting that we have a problem. If pride won't allow our leadership or its staunch followers to do so, that is only going to make the future more and more bleak...in the M.E. and our own land.

Ah...Bill Clinton signed the paper justifying going back in dude.....put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Take a deep breath and repeat after me I love Bush...I love Bush

 

[Ch. 12]

Ah...Bill Clinton signed the paper justifying going back in dude.....put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Take a deep breath and repeat after me I love Bush...I love Bush

Going back in to investigate. He never had total authority to wage war like what Bush was able to get passed through Congress prior to invading. Clinton never signed any paper to commence war. He was interested in diplomacy and continueing the inspections...which cost far fewer lives than the current Bush-initiated war has and will for decades to come through secondary and tertiary terrorist attacks. So put your "clinton signed the paper" in your pipe b/c once again you are spinning. He NEVER "signed" anything to enter into war with Iraq. What won't you try to spin?

This is Bushie's falt...nobody elses. Quit trying to blame others. Bush was the only one to seek and get from Congress the ultimate authority to wage war on Iraq and he is the one who pushed the button. Next you'll tell me that JFK started this whole thing? It's simple. It was Bush and it was on exaggerated intelligence and false pretenses and now he/you are trying to make it look like it is the "war on terror". Never was though when we look back on this time from the year 2040, we can probably call Iraq "The War That Led to So Much More Terror".