Amfa Wins Arbitration At Mesaba

[Checking it Out]

Oh yes, Great video! Everyone needs to veiw it!

 

[TWU informer]

CIO,

Once again, you failed to answer the question.

HOW MANY JOBS DID THE TWU OUTSOURCE WHEN THEY GAVE UP RON CLEANING?

BTW, I saw you reading the Terry Harvey Letter today...

Here is what my perspective was...

CIO Finds Out AMFA Will File

 

[Buck]

If you win the B Check arbitration, it does prove one thing, you know about things that begin with "B" such as the "B-Scale".

You have changed it's name over the years, however you create a form of it every concessionary contract.

 

[ladderman]

-An issue has arisen over the fact that the Company’s winning of the arbitration regarding Closed Shops, presents some difficulties in the realignment solutions for non-reduction in force furloughs. ( Mesaba update 02-05-04 amfa national web page)

TWU Informer It is great that amfa touts its victory. I wish the best of luck to the mechanics that are returning to work. The high lite above is from the Mesaba update 02-05-04 located o the amfa national web page. Since amfa has seen fit to post the most recent arbitration win I am sure they will post their losses. Also, it would be nice to know were we can review ALL of the arbitration cases amfa has received judgments on. If we have to make a decision on the union that will be representing us I would like to see the good, the bad, and the ugly. Since amfa is such an open organization and democratic union this information should be readily available. If Dell can’t give us the exact cases he should be able to give us the win loss numbers over the last 5 years. I look forward to you or Dell giving us the link to the case mentioned in the update and win/loss numbers.

 

[TWU informer]

-An issue has arisen over the fact that the Company’s winning of the arbitration regarding Closed Shops, presents some difficulties in the realignment solutions for non-reduction in force furloughs. ( Mesaba update 02-05-04 amfa national web page)

TWU Informer It is great that amfa touts its victory. I wish the best of luck to the mechanics that are returning to work. The high lite above is from the Mesaba update 02-05-04 located o the amfa national web page. Since amfa has seen fit to post the most recent arbitration win I am sure they will post their losses. Also, it would be nice to know were we can review ALL of the arbitration cases amfa has received judgments on. If we have to make a decision on the union that will be representing us I would like to see the good, the bad, and the ugly. Since amfa is such an open organization and democratic union this information should be readily available. If Dell can’t give us the exact cases he should be able to give us the win loss numbers over the last 5 years. I look forward to you or Dell giving us the link to the case mentioned in the update and win/loss numbers.

Are you requesting the same from the TWU?

Where is that TWU Arbitration link?

I agree, we should be given arbitration cases from both sides?

Will the TWU show it has incredible openess and show their cases?

 

[Bob Owens]

TWU wins or settles on the average 85% of the arbitration cases.

Yes and we know how the TWU 'settles" cases! "They can do that!"

The fact is that with termination cases the union wins a high percentage. Language dispute cases are usually won by the company because the union has to prove their case.

Lets look at some of the cases that the TWU lost, such as overtime on the Holiday, where the arbitrator ruled that the company could bypass those on HW (back when we used to get Holiday pay) in order to keep someone who has more hours but is not on HW.

The fact is that over 90% of the workers will never file a grievance. They look at things like article 4, holiday pay, vacation, shift differential and benifits. And the fact is that with the TWU it is precisely in those areas where we are lagging the industry! So over 90% of the TWU members without a doubt recieve inferior representation with the TWU.

Its time for us to get a union that does what unions claim they do-get us better pay and benifits.

The TWU claims that they saved jobs, yet Jim Little admits that the union first sought to shrink the company to preserve the rates and benifits, the company said NO.

I still think that the deciding factor for the International was the company checks that would have been eliminated if they did not submit to all $660 million in concessions. In other words they sold all of us out so they could keep themselves rich. Then they hid behind the "we saved jobs" lie, when in fact it was the company that did not want to reduce operations. The company hit a grand slam, they got the lowest costs in the industry plus maintained their ability to take advantage of the other carriers difficulties and be prepared to capture even more market share. According to business week, AMR had 20% of the enire revenues for the industry in the last quarter of 2003. No other company has ever had that much except for the fractured, unstable, extremely high leveraged company run by Frank Lorenzo that included several different airlines such as EAL, Continental, Peoples Express etc.

 

[twuer]

57 AMFA Mechanic Jobs

One AMFA Contract Arbitration

Full Back Pay at Contract Rates

Displaced Members to be made Whole

And here is the TWU's best professional spokesman making his claim to credibility fame.


Tell us again Kevin, "AMFA can't enforce a contract"?
What does the arbitrator say?

Kevin Hammack - TWU Ringleader Video

Name Calling and telling lies in less than 10 seconds... That sets a record Hammack.

Hey Dave, why do you take such a bold position in an unaccountable forum like this when Kevin Hammack and the rest of the panel members were waiting for you to stand up for the organization that you support just a few feet away inside the meeting room doors? If you hadn't been such a coward you'd have come inside and realized that Kevin, in the clip you have posted, is specifically addressing the 38% outsourcing cap at NWA. Your dishonesty and practice of deceit by posting partial video clips all over the internet are a typical amfa tactic used when you have NO argument.

Evidence of the weak NWA agreement language that was negotiated by amfa's "professionals" (oxymoron if you ask me!! ) continues to haunt them in their latest arbitration defeat known as the Timothy Cobb et al. Grievance #213978, where the arbitrator in his opinion under "findings and conclusions" said "there is little in the bargaining history to support the union's position." Additionally the arbitrator agreed with the company argument that "when the union wanted to protect a particular shift or job function from displacement, the language to affect that result was negotiated." In other words, amfa didn't give a crap about protecting the cleaner’s jobs or they just didn't know what the hell they were doing, and judging from the AMT layoffs and the defeat in the FM case they didn't do a very good job protecting AMT jobs either. It is clearly evident by reading the Cobb arbitration case that it was amfa's intention NOT to protect "all" of the cleaner work at NWA. Thus separating themselves from members of their own craft and class. Can you justify that contractual language Dave??? Go ahead, we are all waiting.

Just for your information Dave they laid off 65 cleaners and replaced them with 71 contract workers. They (amfa) chose to NOT protect the largest portion of work known as “ALL†cleaner work, which is done by cleaners in the M&R craft and class. Instead, in their infinite wisdom and superior language they protected only RON work (which is done by fleet service and who are not in your craft and class and for that matter a group whom amfa has tried to distance themselves from) leaving hundreds of cleaners at risk. Has amfa changed their position on fleet service? No they haven’t, it’s just fortunate for the RON fleet service crews that amfa didn’t have a clue about what they were doing. If they would’ve, they wouldn’t have accidentally protected a few fleet service folks instead of hundreds of cleaners who are now “at riskâ€. In fact, because of the language from the arbitrator, the word is now that NWA intends to outsource ALL of the cleaner work that amfa CHOSE NOT TO PROTECT! Amfa even admitted in the text of their argument that if the arbitrator agreed with the companies position that "hundreds of cleaners would stand to lose their jobs."

I guess the clip was right on!!

Now, what's the EXCUSE for that wannabes???????

 

[Bob Owens]

Hey Dave, why do you take such a bold position in an unaccountable forum like this when Kevin Hammack and the rest of the panel members were waiting for you to stand up for the organization that you support just a few feet away inside the meeting room doors?

Unaccountable forum? Funny but the TWU removed me from office based solely upon posts on this forum without even asking me first if I even made the posts. Sonny the coward would not even show his face as he and that coward Kerrigan hid over in their offices. Hey I'm only one person and Sonny is a lot bigger than me yet he was afraid to face me.

If you hadn't been such a coward you'd have come inside and realized that Kevin, in the clip you have posted, is specifically addressing the 38% outsourcing cap at NWA. Your dishonesty and practice of deceit by posting partial video clips all over the internet are a typical amfa tactic used when you have NO argument.


You have some nerve questioning someone elses courage as you hide who you are and defend the cowardly crooks of the TWU.

Evidence of the weak NWA agreement language that was negotiated by amfa's "professionals" (oxymoron if you ask me!! ) continues to haunt them in their latest arbitration defeat known as the Timothy Cobb et al. Grievance #213978, where the arbitrator in his opinion under "findings and conclusions" said "there is little in the bargaining history to support the union's position."

Wouldnt the bargaining history mostly be comprised of IAM negotiated and written language? The fact is that AMFA/NWA was under a PEB from a President who already proclaimed that he would not allow any airline strikes. The fact is that under those conditions AMFA and the mechanics had to make choices, we wouldnt know about that because we never went that far under these losers like Little et al. Instead we fold way way before we do anything to upset the company, after all they could cut off the $3 million that goes straight into their pockets.

Additionally the arbitrator agreed with the company argument that "when the union wanted to protect a particular shift or job function from displacement, the language to affect that result was negotiated." In other words, amfa didn't give a crap about protecting the cleaner’s jobs or they just didn't know what the hell they were doing, and judging from the AMT layoffs and the defeat in the FM case they didn't do a very good job protecting AMT jobs either.

And what happened to our cleaners at JFK and LGA? All gone. How about our building cleaners? All gone. And recently cabin service? Most of them are gone too, contracted out. Is it true that they have been polishing AA planes overseas for years?So what are you saying? The most you could claim is that AMFA, the Craft union let down other classifications like the so called all for one Industrial Union the TWU. However we should compare the pay of NWA cleaners who are still there to the few AA cleaners that are left. Who makes more? Who has more holidays, vacation and sick time?Still have not heard of any TWU card drive at any AMFA represented airline.