AMFA set the bar once again or the industry

[SWAMECH]

Well, well, well, AMFA did it again for the industry and the twu over at AA just proven it by directly using AMFA's new industry leading wages during their latest update from the IAM on you-tube (video provided below). I have not looked at their increases yet, but going by what they said in video is that they matched all SWA's wages and then they added a $1 line prem for line mechs only. They still can't match our best in industry 401K match, PS and retirement packages.
I say good, glad they were able to match SWA's and use us for the first time at the table for comparo's. A little disappointed they couldn't have leap frog us by at least a couple if not 5% better than us so we would have something to work with next time as well.
So if all true on the numbers as stated in video, they did not beat, they simply matched all wages except for the line prem of $1.
Thanks again AMFA for setting the bar once again...

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[WeAAsles]

Actually nice to see you there swampy. You were beginning to get me nervous that something happened to you. Now let’s pick away at your post. Fun times for all.

Yep the Association captured your AMFA negotiated SWA wages and added a little onto that. But I guess you missed (Again) the part where they said we have multiple thousands more jobs (People) Ramp also matched TWU SWA wages but TWU over there is comparable in headcount. Something AMFA can’t crow 🐦‍⬛ about.

And it was a nice and easy “economic extension” not intended to be full on Section 6. But I am glad we now officially are counting SWA into the mix.

Your 401K is not industry leading because it’s a straight match with no “free” contributions from your airline.

So you get a 10% “match” and we get a 5% “contribution” and a 4% “match” That beats you in total because no one is left out of that 5% like you would have (unfortunately) plenty of people contributing nothing.

The PS is industry standard for AA, DL and SWA. Sorry to burst your bubble there as well. The payout is just a fact that other airlines are making more profit than AA. Something us AA employees have to live with.

Anyway good luck with all the wood chopping you got going on over there right now. Seriously I mean it. God Bless.

 

[Jalsporteam]

So basically if the numbers are true, Southwest mechanics lose 10% in wages.

 

[WeAAsles]

So basically if the numbers are true, Southwest mechanics lose 10% in wages.

Actually 5% since to equal us they would have to contribute to their 401K the 5% we get automatically. So they have to take 5% out of their checks where we don’t.

 

[Jalsporteam]

Actually 5% since to equal us they would have to contribute to their 401K the 5% we get automatically. So they have to take 5% out of their checks where we don’t.

So if both side puts the same contributions to 401K, AMFA mechanics fall short of 5% wages, or almost $3.50 per hour, or ....$6700 a year out of his pocket, or... a little over half a months wages. And he is bragging about being industry leading? What a propaganda tool that SWAMECH retard. Geez if he was voted to represent them, I'd vote his ass out.

A prime example of ignorance. SWAMECH, "lets live in a world where its me, me, and me."

 

[WeAAsles]

So if both side puts the same contributions to 401K, AMFA mechanics fall short of 5% wages, or almost $3.50 per hour, or ....$6700 a year out of his pocket, or... a little over half a months wages. And he is bragging about being industry leading? What a propaganda tool that SWAMECH retard. Geez if he was voted to represent them, I'd vote his ass out.

A prime example of ignorance. SWAMECH, "lets live in a world where its me, me, and me."

Actually a better way to put it is if we both put in 4% he would have 8% going in and I would get 13% because I have a 5% contribution that he doesn’t have.

 

[Jalsporteam]

Actually a better way to put it is if we both put in 4% he would have 8% going in and I would get 13% because I have a 5% contribution that he doesn’t have.

In other words, less pay check if its the same, for the same retirement

 

[WeAAsles]

In other words, less pay check if its the same, for the same retirement

Correct. Just on the new scales base alone for a line AMT at TOS not counting Holiday pay or extra hours side by side if neither of them put anything at all into their 401K I calculate a loss for the AMFA AMT of $8,106.00

 

[Jalsporteam]

Correct. Just on the new scales base alone for a line AMT at TOS not counting Holiday pay or extra hours side by side if neither of them put anything at all into their 401K I calculate a loss for the AMFA AMT of $8,106.00

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Dont forget the fact that Southwest, they have less A&P per Aircraft. That means an average Southwest mechanic, you're doing double the work for a net loss every year.

I know a few folks that worked there and moved on to better careers and have said they'd wish they left that sh t hole long ago.

 

[WeAAsles]

Dont forget the fact that Southwest, they have less A&P per Aircraft. That means an average Southwest mechanic, you're doing double the work for a net loss every year.

I know a few folks that worked there and moved on to better careers and have said they'd wish they left that sh t hole long ago.

Honestly not sure why anyone would want to stay working for SWA knowing how few places they’re staffed in and how long it would take to advance to better shifts and days off?

I bet it takes 20 years just to get a partial weekend off?

 

[Jalsporteam]

Honestly not sure why anyone would want to stay working for SWA knowing how few places they’re staffed in and how long it would take to advance to better shifts and days off?

I bet it takes 20 years just to get a partial weekend off?

I wonder how many mechanics they actually got working for them? Most of the major airlines now have better shift with in a couple of years, a lot of retirements. Plus with the maintenance tech shortage, you got to consider the long term and never settle for a low cost company.

I heard Southwest is hiring bums straight out of school now too, with no experience cause they cant get any reputable mechanic in the industry. Most of the mechanics and management working for them have been fired from all other major airlines.

 

[WeAAsles]

I wonder how many mechanics they actually got working for them? Most of the major airlines now have better shift with in a couple of years, a lot of retirements. Plus with the maintenance tech shortage, you got to consider the long term and never settle for a low cost company.

I heard Southwest is hiring bums straight out of school now too, with no experience cause they cant get any reputable mechanic in the industry. Most of the mechanics and management working for them have been fired from all other major airlines.

According to AMFA’s own page and their LM2 report they have only 2700 at SWA and a total of 4355 for everyone they represent at all Airlines.

 

[WeAAsles]

AMFA will never be given this kind of attention. They have no clout.

 

[WeAAsles]

The TWU Applauds the FAA’s Interpretation Requiring In-Person Repair Supervision

The Transport Workers Union of America strongly supports a recent Federal Aviation Administration interpretation memo that requires the holder of a mechanic or repairman certificate to be physically present to supervise aircraft maintenance work being performed by uncertified persons working under the certificate holder.

This interpretation, laid out in a September 3, 2024 memo from the FAA, closes an existing compliance loophole and aims to rebuild the structure of effective enforcement, oversight, and compliance verification by FAA inspectors.
TWU Aircraft Maintenance Technicians learned hard lessons during the pandemic – namely that there is no replacement for in-person meetings and oversight – especially when dealing with highly sophisticated machines, where there is no acceptable margin for error.

There are serious limitations and security risks with remote, web-based communications. The FAA memo will increase the safety and effectiveness of aircraft maintenance and ensure that highly trained and licensed Aircraft Maintenance Technicians will have direct oversight of repair work – banning unsupervised, outsourced workers, often in foreign countries, from overseeing the work.

“This interpretation is a crucial component for aviation safety and ensuring that airlines and their contractors maintain vigilant oversight,” said TWU Air Division Director Andre Sutton. “It will also help keep critical repair work in the United States accomplished by hardworking and highly-trained TWU members.”

The recent memo was issued in response to a 2022 request for clarification from the U.S. Flight Standards District Office in Little Rock, Arkansas. The request asked if a supervisor could oversee repair work remotely through a video software application like Zoom, a live video feed, photographs or other electronic means.

The FAA’s Office of the Chief Counsel properly determined that the phrase “in-person” requires the long standing standard of an explicit physical presence.

“Virtual presence, through a live video feed or other technological means, cannot replace the physical presence of a supervising mechanic,” the FAA wrote in the memo.

“The FAA made the right call for ensuring that aircraft maintenance is conducted and overseen by the workers with the greatest expertise and depth-of-knowledge,” said TWU Local 591 President Gary Schaible, who represents Aircraft Maintenance Technicians at American Airlines. “Trying to supervise repairs over a Zoom style video platform is no substitute for the importance of in-person supervision.”

The Transport Workers Union of America represents approximately 19,000 highly trained Aircraft Maintenance Technicians that conduct critical short and long-term repairs on commercial aircraft in the United States and across the world when called upon to do so.

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The TWU represents more than 155,000 workers across the airline, railroad, transit, universities, utilities and service sectors. The TWU is the largest airline workers union in the United States.

FAA Memorandum: https://twu514.org/files/2024/10/In-Person-FAA.pdf