Amfa Continues Downward Spiral

[Checking it Out]

Greg Hall gave an update on United Services. He stated the following:

The fleet will be reduced by 23 737’s in September. This reduction in the fleet size could cause up to 220 furloughs. The actual number will be announced after the outcome of the Air Canada LOA vote is known. (This vote schedule is pending, and will be announced soon). The actual number would be reduced by 30 if the LOA passes. He also stated that about half the possible furloughs would come from SFO.

Downward spiral continues!!!!!!!! When will Amfa step up and do Something? Anything??????

 

[Strake]

Greg Hall gave an update on United Services. He stated the following:

The fleet will be reduced by 23 737’s in September. This reduction in the fleet size could cause up to 220 furloughs. The actual number will be announced after the outcome of the Air Canada LOA vote is known. (This vote schedule is pending, and will be announced soon). The actual number would be reduced by 30 if the LOA passes. He also stated that about half the possible furloughs would come from SFO.

Downward spiral continues!!!!!!!! When will Amfa step up and do Something? Anything??????

Now that is a good question.

When will amfa step up and do something?

 

[Checking it Out]

Had a meeting with our manager...furloughs will go back to January 1990 and I think that's system wide. The current protection date is October 1989. Notices will be handed out in September. In SFO, 74 from Components but some don't have licenses so they might hit the street regardless of seniority and 30 from the engine shop. It's going to get interesting!!

Just a note, United and NWA Amfa represented airlines you need over 14 years seniority to be employed.

 

[Decision 2004]

Had a meeting with our manager...furloughs will go back to January 1990 and I think that's system wide. The current protection date is October 1989. Notices will be handed out in September. In SFO, 74 from Components but some don't have licenses so they might hit the street regardless of seniority and 30 from the engine shop. It's going to get interesting!!

Just a note, United and NWA Amfa represented airlines you need over 14 years seniority to be employed.

and more from CIO:

Many of the Amfa associates have been so negative towards life, work and others, they have attacked the majority of the posts here and other discussion boards.

Is it possible for any of them to have a positive discussion?

At times here and at work It leads me to believe no matter what direction we go they are always on the negative and want to be confrontational! It gets frustrating at times.

Is that your idea of positive campaigning? You continuously fan the flames of negative issues and then complain when you get the same in return.

Practice what you preach, and you might gain a small amount of integrity and respect.

 

[Checking it Out]

Dave, this thread has nothing to do with the other! I also dont see anyone defending Amfa's actions!

At United:
There will also be an unspecified number furloughs of GQ people in September due to the reduction of ground equipment as a result of the fleet reduction. (23 737’s) He did not have any numbers at this time and stated that the process is ongoing.

 

[Strake]

Dave, this thread has nothing to do with the other! I also dont see anyone defending Amfa's actions!

At United:
There will also be an unspecified number furloughs of GQ people in September due to the reduction of ground equipment as a result of the fleet reduction. (23 737’s) He did not have any numbers at this time and stated that the process is ongoing.

I can't decide which area in TUL would be outsourced first if the amfa was to some how pull it out and get in at AA. Would it be CAM or TEO? I imagine the OSMs would be gone in a heart beat. Hmmm something to ponder. Hey I know, I'll start a poll.

 

[Mark Inman]

Hey CEO you fool American Eagles growth was payed for by our concession. 1.5 billion dollars worth to be exact. The money came right out of American airlines cash reserves. Than they turned around and told you if we don't get concessions we will file bankruptcy. Twscrew does not like to talk about AA violating the mechanics contract with regional carrier ASM increases payed for just 3 months before the concession vote twscrew campaigned for do they? The Board has determined that the single craft or class of Airline Mechanics, Ground Service, Plant Maintenance, and Fleet Service Personnel is no longer a proper craft or class at either American or TWA-LLC. The proper crafts or classes are Mechanics and Related Employees, and Fleet Service Employees. American Airlines, Inc./TWA Airlines, LLC., 29 NMB 240, 251 (2002).1. NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!!

 

[Checking it Out]

Qoute from Chicago Tribune, August 8th. See how he intends to help!

"It would be better if they got off their high horse and started working with employees. We could tell them how to save money," said O.V. Delle-Femine, national director for the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, which represents United's mechanics.


I wonder the announcement at United to reduce head count by another 200 more or the Gutting of the Pension was the issue or how about the continued outsourcing at NWA or the agreement to outsource work to a foreign country? I can see the best is yet to come!

 

[Checking it Out]

Well it seems Amfa made a major blunder when they took out one of the letters of agreements at United.

Yep real good move getting rid of 74-1M. Really showed the company the resolve of the membership. Instead of making the company pay for numerous moves in the upcoming furlough by leaving 74-1M intact we pull it and only make them pay for one period.

Didn't anyone realize that 74-1m was used for many years as a deterrent to laying off members meaning go ahead and lay off but it will cost you $1000's. After 9/11 the company spent hundreds of thousands of dollars moving Mechs around the country. This is why the protection date was not hit right away.

Now with 75-1M gone we will see the protection date and beyond at most stations. GET THE PICTURE, IT WAS A FINANCIAL PENALTY.

Get ready to say good buy to the 10hr shift too, enjoy it for the next few months because its going away too, Thanks once again you really showed 'em!

Looks like the seniority wheel of death will spin again at United....sorry to all the line stations that wanted to get rid of 74-1. You will be bumped just like the base now senior to junior.

The layoffs continue,

I was talking to some of the die-hard amfa supporters the other day and I believe they are seeing the light! Amfa is nothing more than a tool for management!!!

The amfa spiral continues to spin out of control!!!!!

 

[Decision 2004]

I was talking to TWU Diehards just today, and they not only think there should be a vote. They are most interested now in when the ballot will arrive.

I think the shaft is in deep enough now, they are ready to plow the field. They are ready to mix the TWU Manure into the soil for more fertile negotiations.

CIO, go ahead and believe your own illusions, the truth will prevail soon enough.

Did any of those so-called change-overs you speak of tell you how to fuel a hot engine?

 

[local 12 proud]

[i think he got his que from fire marshall bill .

Did any of those so-called change-overs you speak of tell you how to fuel a hot engine?

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[Decision 2004]

Oh yeah,

Fuel Vapors and Radiant Heat from a muffler. Combined with CIO.... Stand Clear and With Extreme Caution.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Well now Decision 2004, maybe now you can see that the removal of one LOA can have a negative impact to the Scope of an agreement. Remember the definition of the word Scope...???

You can put any number you want on outsourcing, but if you "GUT THE LANGUAGE", then you are screwed........idiot's :angry:

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amfa: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

 

[767 mechanic]

Well now Decision 2004, maybe now you can see that the removal of one LOA can have a negative impact to the Scope of an agreement. Remember the definition of the word Scope...???

You can put any number you want on outsourcing, but if you "GUT THE LANGUAGE", then you are screwed........idiot's :angry:

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amfa: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

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Well I guess the twu would know first hand about gutting the language of a contract would'nt they. They also decide to put letters of agreements in without letting the membership vote on it and screw the membership even more.

 

[Nightwatch]

*screen capture from amfa local 9

Here's the voter results from the LOA at UAL...a strong amfa turnout on this important item.

Run your mouth all you want about how we have the need to vote on the LOA's , and then look at the facts, not many care really, just give them a job to go to each day and all is good.