American does not want binding arbitartion

[737823]

It is the right thing to do because they have mismanaged this airline for the last 10 years... Management has profited off our backs and run this airline into the ground... It's time to trim the real fat, not screw over the frontline workers again and again... None of the people negotiating for the company give a rats ass about AA being a reputable airline any more. As long as they get rich and bank it... FYI Horton and his wife are their way to LHR on 78 tonight to go stay in the corporate townhouse!

You should respect their right to privacy, especially following the termination of another FA for the very same thing. I imagine people in AA management monitor this forum.

Josh

 

[fltguymk]

You should respect their right to privacy, especially following the termination of another FA for the very same thing. I imagine people in AA management monitor this forum.

Josh

You should mind your own business!!

 

[Super FLUF]

I don't think anyone expected them to accept arbitration in the first place.

I did, and I know a lot of APA reps did as well. We had a lot of "big ticket" items on the table that we could have easily lost and they would have been devastating.

Personally, I'm glad it's not going to arbitration as now I will be able to VOTE on whatever turd the union and company agree to.

 

[eolesen]

It is the right thing to do because they have mismanaged this airline for the last 10 years... Management has profited off our backs and run this airline into the ground... It's time to trim the real fat, not screw over the frontline workers again and again...

And you really think arbitration would correct that?

Again, still waiting for an example where arbitration was used to settle a contract....

Personally, I'm glad it's not going to arbitration as now I will be able to VOTE on whatever turd the union and company agree to.

You're assuming there's a consensual agreement, Fluf.

Had dinner with someone on Saturday who is a little closer to things in FTW and at APA, and it seems they have no intention of doing anything the union leadership can be blamed for at the ballot box.

 

[TWU informer]

And you really think arbitration would correct that?

Again, still waiting for an example where arbitration was used to settle a contract....

Whatever happened to the days where AA had trend setter leadership instead of leadership that pays consulting firms to comb through other carriers decisions and follow them? Consulting Firm hiring even I can do, setting a new trend for others to follow, now that's leadership worth their compensation.

 

[eolesen]

Whatever happened to the days where AA had trend setter leadership instead of leadership that pays consulting firms to comb through other carriers decisions and follow them?

When AA was the trend setter, it was a fun place to work. AA also had the most advantageous labor costs due to the B-scale which left room for lots of growth and cutting edge expansion.

Yet today, the only thing I hear is that AA shouldn't have done the cutting edge expansions in BNA or RDU, and that the b-scales killed "the profession" regardless of whatever workgroup you talk to...

Odd part is that AA has had consultants around for most of the past 20 years. When the company was making money, nobody complained about it. Now, some people can't let go of it.

 

[AANOTOK]

Odd part is that AA has had consultants around for most of the past 20 years. When the company was making money, nobody complained about it. Now, some people can't let go of it.

Give me a break. Those "consultants" weren't as numerous, didn't cost as much, and didn't carry as much weight. Please E, stop the insulting, sir.

 

[Buck]

Give me a break. Those "consultants" weren't as numerous, didn't cost as much, and didn't carry as much weight. Please E, stop the insulting, sir.

The point about the consultants is that.they had no real time on the product they were consulting about.

 

[TWU informer]

When AA was the trend setter, it was a fun place to work. AA also had the most advantageous labor costs due to the B-scale which left room for lots of growth and cutting edge expansion.

Yet today, the only thing I hear is that AA shouldn't have done the cutting edge expansions in BNA or RDU, and that the b-scales killed "the profession" regardless of whatever workgroup you talk to...

Odd part is that AA has had consultants around for most of the past 20 years. When the company was making money, nobody complained about it. Now, some people can't let go of it.

There is a difference Eric. Then the B-Scale was a reduction only for non-incumbent employees and gave incumbent employees payraises and early retirement incentives. This time AA is raping the incumbents also.

Maybe you just didnt have a job of sitting at a computer monitoring and listening back then?
How do you know nobody complained then?

 

[eolesen]

How do you know nobody complained then?

I spent a lot of time at the Korner House and the Owl. It would have come up in conversation at some point.

 

[Bob Owens]

And you really think arbitration would correct that?

Again, still waiting for an example where arbitration was used to settle a contract....



You're assuming there's a consensual agreement, Fluf.

Had dinner with someone on Saturday who is a little closer to things in FTW and at APA, and it seems they have no intention of doing anything the union leadership can be blamed for at the ballot box.

I'm still waiting for another example of a company that went into C-11 with over $4 billion in cash!

 

[Bob Owens]

I spent a lot of time at the Korner House and the Owl. It would have come up in conversation at some point.

Complained about what? In real terms our pay was at least 40% higher.

 

[FWAAA]

I'm still waiting for another example of a company that went into C-11 with over $4 billion in cash!

Attention AA AMTs: It's posts like this that cause me to predict contract abrogation in the near future.

What's the relevance of the amount of borrowed money that AA has not yet spent (the AA cash balance over which you constantly obsess)? Is your implication that $4 billion is so much money that AA should readily agree to the delay tactic of binding arbitration offered by the unions that are desperate to show their membership that they're doing something, anything in the face of concessions?

What's the practical difference, in your opinion, between a company that enters Ch 11 with very little cash and immediately borrows billions in debtor-in-possession financing and AA, which borrowed billions in the months before it filed for Ch 11, negating the need for DIP financing? In my view, no real practical difference. You seem to think there's a distinction. What's the practical distinction?

 

[strikeforce]

Attention AA AMTs: It's posts like this that cause me to predict contract abrogation in the near future.



What's the practical difference, in your opinion, between a company that enters Ch 11 with very little cash and immediately borrows billions in debtor-in-possession financing and AA, which borrowed billions in the months before it filed for Ch 11, negating the need for DIP financing? In my view, no real practical difference. You seem to think there's a distinction. What's the practical distinction?

There isn't a practical difference?

But, there is this sense of ownership going on at Centrepork. With DIP, those creditors have a much bigger stake and say in the process. Now, WE have the same inept management team in control. If I was on the secured creditors commitee, I wouldn't necessarily object to any business plan, but I would demand that current management be replaced.

 

[eolesen]

There isn't a practical difference?

But, there is this sense of ownership going on at Centrepork. With DIP, those creditors have a much bigger stake and say in the process. Now, WE have the same inept management team in control. If I was on the secured creditors commitee, I wouldn't necessarily object to any business plan, but I would demand that current management be replaced.

Had the financing come from someone else in the form of DIP, you can guarantee they'd be looking out for their interests first & foremost, ahead of your's & management's...

Oh, still waiting to see an example of an airline who settled their labor contracts thru binding arbitration.