American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

No I don't think it is wise for Delta to try to get the IAM or the TWU. Me and Kev obviously disagree on this. I'm certain him and thousands others will lose their job.

Wasn’t looking for all the blather man. This is really all that I was looking for, so I trimmed off all the fat of your posting.

Kev does agree with you very much IMO.

And the TWU has no interest at all in initiating any Delta campaign now or in any foreseeable future BTW.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wasn’t looking for all the blather man. This is really all that I was looking for, so I trimmed off all the fat of your posting.

Kev does agree with you very much IMO.

And the TWU has no interest at all in initiating any Delta campaign now or in any foreseeable future BTW.

weez, you are not a twu spokesperson. Stop speaking as an authority. Besides, you shot low and couldnt even win a do-nothing Local trustee position and only got 9 votes (8 + you) out of 2,200 peeps. Other than your rambling tantrums here (admittedly entertaining and points for humor), you are insignificant. Thank Lehive for taking you under his wing. Out of all your handlers, Lehive is far more of a solid union guy than the others.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wherever there are union injustices Tim will be there to fight for us the man should have a cape at the very least people like piedmont and the Weez should bow to him

700, weez, etc are the pollyannas that sorta try to put out the flames. When weez' union sold us all out for the money only, just to get the dues, weez claimed the company really could have cared less about its holy grail.
When Peterson put on his tin cap and claimed Isom was sabatoging the stock to get rid of parker and secretely take over the world, weez asked me to prove it that isom isnt secretely sabatoging things.
Im like, huh?
But weez does bring entertainment value. For that reason, he belongs. He seemed cool when I met him but maybe he was takig his meds.

 

[WeAAsles]

weez, you are not a twu spokesperson. Stop speaking as an authority. Besides, you shot low and couldnt even win a do-nothing Local trustee position and only got 9 votes (8 + you) out of 2,200 peeps. Other than your rambling tantrums here (admittedly entertaining and points for humor), you are insignificant. Thank Lehive for taking you under his wing. Out of all your handlers, Lehive is far more of a solid union guy than the others.

700, weez, etc are the pollyannas that sorta try to put out the flames. When weez' union sold us all out for the money only, just to get the dues, weez claimed the company really could have cared less about its holy grail.
When Peterson put on his tin cap and claimed Isom was sabatoging the stock to get rid of parker and secretely take over the world, weez asked me to prove it that isom isnt secretely sabatoging things.
Im like, huh?
But weez does bring entertainment value. For that reason, he belongs. He seemed cool when I met him but maybe he was takig his meds.

Oh Brother. Here he goes again.

 

[swamt]

I see this thread is still deep in the toilet...

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Question for you Crema.

Let’s say we could get the exchange letting AA keep all their Profit and we get that 8 to 10% DOS bump plus of course fair yearly increases for the life of the agreement.

Delta then decides to match our wages and still doles out PS to their workers. So they’re getting both.

Would you be ok with that?

that would tell me that delta is insanely worried about their ramp guys going union. i do not see that happening...though, it would behoove everyone.

all things being equal? aa confident in the future of stronger earnings after total synergy/synchronization? no.

i'd try to get the $33.25 on DOS and keep the 5%.

if aa laughs at that..laugh all the way to the arbitrator. sure, we'll lose scope, but they'll get ripped open like a tin can with profit sharing. balk at an additional $24 million a year for lus insurance? ok, now pay your fewer assoc. members $350 million a year in profit sharing.

think 5 steps ahead. the BOD would certainly spank the leaders if this occurred. that is classic cutting off your nose to spite your face.

i have patience.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

ANY type of shoddy work should not be tolerated from ANY airline....period!

Or maybe they didn't pay for that service 🙂

i don't argue that...i didn't condone that.

the flying public loves ridiculously low fares. just a reality that spirit and frontier thrive on...i know their passengers know that when they have to pay for warm bottled water in-flight.

 

[WeAAsles]

that would tell me that delta is insanely worried about their ramp guys going union. i do not see that happening...though, it would behoove everyone.

all things being equal? aa confident in the future of stronger earnings after total synergy/synchronization? no.

i'd try to get the $33.25 on DOS and keep the 5%.

if aa laughs at that..laugh all the way to the arbitrator. sure, we'll lose scope, but they'll get ripped open like a tin can with profit sharing. balk at an additional $24 million a year for lus insurance? ok, now pay your fewer assoc. members $350 million a year in profit sharing.

think 5 steps ahead. the BOD would certainly spank the leaders if this occurred. that is classic cutting off your nose to spite your face.

i have patience.

What I’m saying is whatever our Negotiators ultimately agree to pass to us if we say yes that’s it for me.

I don’t care if some OAL decides in that period to raise their groups to outpace us and be King of the Mountain.

I won’t be out there whining. (Lots of others will though I’m sure)

 

[CremaDiLimone]

i was surprised that delta upped the ante 3% last year. no offense and not trying to take $$ out of their pockets..

but delta can easily squash any grumbling about being $1/hr behind ua/aa by just pointing at the profit sharing.

a company with a legitimate excuse not to be in lock-step with ua/aa for wages.

 

[WeAAsles]

i was surprised that delta upped the ante 3% last year. no offense and not trying to take $$ out of their pockets..

but delta can easily squash any grumbling about being $1/hr behind ua/aa by just pointing at the profit sharing.

a company with a legitimate excuse not to be in lock-step with ua/aa for wages.

I agree. Profit Sharing is just a different way to compensate Employees. I’m just not a personal fan of the “at risk” model when it comes to paying my bills.

I also think AA has room to run and can/will over time improve their performance. So sure in a couple of years there could be economic regrets if we did agree to forego PS for direct wages.

I think I see more than likely matching the industry (UAL and SWA) and having both wages and PS written into our Contracts though?

 

[Kev3188]

Crema—

They have repeatedly told us that our base compensation model will be “standard,” amongst our peer group, and that anything on top of that to push us into “industry leading” will be in the form of Profit Sharing, performance rewards,etc.

What they want to avoid is the boom/bust cycle you and I have known our whole careers.

Sometimes raises are to keep up with the rising tide at other carriers, and sometimes it’s to pacify us. It just depends.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

i understand..though being $1/hr behind ua and .60 cents behind aa, while getting $7k-$12k profit sharing checks the past 5 years takes you to industry leading overall compensation.

after last year's 3%, the base had you at industry leading base hourly compensation, until ua's december raise. this is not counting the very generous profit sharing.

that's why i was surprised that dl moved the toggle switch 3% on your base compensation last year.

as mentioned, i don't want to take money out of anyone's pockets and other airlines' raises helps all.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Negotiations March 18th. Kindly write the next negotiations update that you think the union will put out

 

[MetalMover]

Negotiations March 18th. Kindly write the next negotiations update that you think the union will put out

"THE COMPANY HAS NOT MOVED OFF THEIR POSITION ON SCOPE." "IT'S A GOOD THING WE GOT BULLETIN BOARDS DONE EARLY"

 

[robbedagain]

The company refuses to back off their demands that we give up scope. We have way more than not sacrificed yet to the greedy sob running the airline they want to take take take . Now is the time to be unified for a deal in which we do not give up a dam thing.