American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

IAM agrees to a Letter of Agreement to subject LUS IAM Health Insurance to Arbitration in 2022, if the IAM and company can't come up with alternative 80%, 90%, 100% plans by January 1, 2022.
Thus, the IAM has already conceeded LUS IAM health care with it's "Cinderella Midnight Clause" And, although it has said it will never subject the health care to arbitration, it already has. The letter of agreement is legally binding.

Thus, Weez and Mr Baskett were lying when they said that their handlers would never agree to subject our insurance to arbitration.

Jerry Glass 1
Mr Baskett/Sito -1

Understand the language.

“In the event”

In the event being specific “If any” of the plans.

I also expect the excise Tax to continue to be at least pushed back due to its extreme unpopularity.

NEXT?

 

[WeAAsles]

Understand the language.

“In the event”

In the event being specific “If any” of the plans.

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I also expect the excise Tax to continue to be at least pushed back due to its extreme unpopularity.

NEXT?

And Tim please don’t write your own “FAKE” language in the future. It’s very easy for someone like me (and I do) to look up and share the “REAL” language.

 

[ALUS78]

And Tim please don’t write your own “FAKE” language in the future. It’s very easy for someone like me (and I do) to look up and share the “REAL” language.

Didnt the CWA have something similar and they wound up with the AA plan

 

[Tim Nelson]

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Tell fly to offer the LUS insurance with the letter!

P. Rez

Fly doesn't listen to me. I wish he would and I wish he would offer a better contract. You know how cranky I am, I want it all in my contract! Unfortunately, Fly says the company has all of the leverage and won't improve upon the offer. So we either stall for years or bring it out to a vote and get employee consent for a ratification or rejection. Either way, they got the LUS insurance letter and can terminate the plans according to that letter. Not good.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Understand the language.

“In the event”

In the event being specific “If any” of the plans.

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I also expect the excise Tax to continue to be at least pushed back due to its extreme unpopularity.

NEXT?

Um, yea, 'in the event'. Right now it's a Cinderella Clause that explodes in less than 3 years. With the house dominated democrats, the excise tax will most likely not be delayed again. In fact, they may want to bring back the individual mandate and speed up the excise tax.
But you are the one not reading. IF the company "determines" that it may be subject to the excise, or any other tax, then it can actually terminate the plans themselves.
Look, I know you want to act like this letter is meaningless but Uncle Jerry isn't stupid, he put this letter in there because he figured they would terminate our insurance plans in 2018. Thanks to Trump, they delayed this tax. Whatever the case, the most likely scenario is the one that we know and have to be prepared for, i.e. the 2022 mandate. While I agree with you that congress may have a heart and spare us of this, it is extremely unlikely that the majority democrats would even consider this. In fact, the exact opposite could happen much sooner in 2020 if the dems retook the congress and executive branches.

Remember, weez, the democrats that hosed us with this and the mandate were much more conservative than the ones who may gain control now. While I can't refute your opinion that the democrats may switch and have a heart, the thought is not only unlikely but seems to do harm to justice.

 

[WeAAsles]

Um, yea, 'in the event'. Right now it's a Cinderella Clause that explodes in less than 3 years. With the house dominated democrats, the excise tax will most likely not be delayed again. In fact, they may want to bring back the individual mandate and speed up the excise tax.
But you are the one not reading. IF the company "determines" that it may be subject to the excise, or any other tax, then it can actually terminate the plans themselves.
Look, I know you want to act like this letter is meaningless but Uncle Jerry isn't stupid, he put this letter in there because he figured they would terminate our insurance plans in 2018. Thanks to Trump, they delayed this tax. Whatever the case, the most likely scenario is the one that we know and have to be prepared for, i.e. the 2022 mandate. While I agree with you that congress may have a heart and spare us of this, it is extremely unlikely that the majority democrats would even consider this. In fact, the exact opposite could happen much sooner in 2020 if the dems retook the congress and executive branches.

Remember, weez, the democrats that hosed us with this and the mandate were much more conservative than the ones who may gain control now. While I can't refute your opinion that the democrats may switch and have a heart, the thought is not only unlikely but seems to do harm to justice.

Uh huh. Hey this Crystal Ball is a pretty nice looking gift item for only $25.00.

 

[WeAAsles]

Didnt the CWA have something similar and they wound up with the AA plan

The CWA did not have the same language for medical rates that your group had.

BTW the Medical conversation is a red herring since that is not the main attraction as far as us getting to a JCBA. The main attraction is Scope.

Medical will likely be what I’ve been saying for years? The percentage will drop somewhere near the middle at 17 or 18% of the total cost and rise over the length of the agreement with perhaps a cap and the Association being provided an accounting of what AA’s prior years medical expenditures were.

After this is done and we have JCBA’s in place I hope the Association or the separate Unions would join with the Company in explaining how medical costs affect us all and the value of trying to use “In Network” providers whenever possible.

 

[cltrat]

Tim I believe the topic was where and as directed language that you challenged Racer x to provide, I merely asked you to provide your long suggested offer there is? Where you artfully turned to a discussion about health insurance.
I have long believed health insurance would be gone at some point so I don’t want to hear that and unlike some I’m not stupid enough to believe there is someone credible called Fly

 

[B737 driver]

Understand the language.

“In the event”

In the event being specific “If any” of the plans.

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I also expect the excise Tax to continue to be at least pushed back due to its extreme unpopularity.

NEXT?

Weazz that is no different than when we went to Arbitration for the language for the extra C check line once we hit 650 airplanes. I remember the company offered an extension on our contract , not to push it, and the language would have stayed, and AMFA said no, and here we are 6.5 years later.

 

[WeAAsles]

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Fly doesn't listen to me. I wish he would and I wish he would offer a better contract. You know how cranky I am, I want it all in my contract! Unfortunately, Fly says the company has all of the leverage and won't improve upon the offer. So we either stall for years or bring it out to a vote and get employee consent for a ratification or rejection. Either way, they got the LUS insurance letter and can terminate the plans according to that letter. Not good.

“Minimum modifications or modifications to the effected plans”

 

[WeAAsles]

Weazz that is no different than when we went to Arbitration for the language for the extra C check line once we hit 650 airplanes. I remember the company offered an extension on our contract , not to push it, and the language would have stayed, and AMFA said no, and here we are 6.5 years later.

Again I’m not currently concerned about what “could” come to pass 3 years from now on a piece of the ACA law that has been wildly unpopular in both Political Parties straight out of the gate.

Lobbying efforts by both Unions and Corporations will keep that tax floating into oblivion for years more to come.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Didnt the CWA have something similar and they wound up with the AA plan

Yes

 

[AANOTOK]

Optimus Primus, what's your take on Tim's most recent comments?

 

[robbedagain]

Uh huh. Hey this Crystal Ball is a pretty nice looking gift item for only $25.00.

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Amazon.com or airport gift shop?

 

[ALUS78]

The CWA did not have the same language for medical rates that your group had.

BTW the Medical conversation is a red herring since that is not the main attraction as far as us getting to a JCBA. The main attraction is Scope.

Medical will likely be what I’ve been saying for years? The percentage will drop somewhere near the middle at 17 or 18% of the total cost and rise over the length of the agreement with perhaps a cap and the Association being provided an accounting of what AA’s prior years medical expenditures were.

After this is done and we have JCBA’s in place I hope the Association or the separate Unions would join with the Company in explaining how medical costs affect us all and the value of trying to use “In Network” providers whenever possible.

My point is the CWA or company was supposed to look at other health plans that im sure of.Did they?,Apparently not