American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Crema if the LAA cc work rules are indeed to way going forward that’s going to be quite a change on the LUS side,I can tell you that,if what I have read is correct

Since you read it rat, what’s your impression as far as you following it? Curious since you’re in the Lead role there in the big hub.

 

[cltrat]

Weez,if the rules that jester posted are right and no one said otherwise.Im responsible to have any equipment needed to work the flight from wands to extra carts needed for mail and freight on the off load.If it need an air start? Yep I got to make that happen to on getting an air start cart.yes an assign lead may have someone available to go get on but not often,I never have enough personnel on the gate to send one myself or rarely do.If they are being tight on staffing then that big mail off load? I’ll be the guy down there putting it in the cart.
Many times staffing is such that I will have a three man crew and one is off dropping locals I may have to scan and throw bags to have a hope of the plane leaving on time and if it doesn’t yep I’m in there answering why

 

[cltrat]

I think it’s safe to say I am required to be more physically involved than my AA counterpart who as of now gets .59 an hour more than me

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez,if the rules that jester posted are right and no one said otherwise.Im responsible to have any equipment needed to work the flight from wands to extra carts needed for mail and freight on the off load.If it need an air start? Yep I got to make that happen to on getting an air start cart.yes an assign lead may have someone available to go get on but not often,I never have enough personnel on the gate to send one myself or rarely do.If they are being tight on staffing then that big mail off load? I’ll be the guy down there putting it in the cart.
Many times staffing is such that I will have a three man crew and one is off dropping locals I may have to scan and throw bags to have a hope of the plane leaving on time and if it doesn’t yep I’m in there answering why

I’ve worked in 2 Hubs almost my entire career and have never had a 3 man crew ever. Hint. I’m on a 6 man crew right now which occasionally does wide bodies. The narrow body crews currently are 4 man crews and a Powerstow.

I’ve never known a CC to ever go looking for equipment for a flight. That don’t jive in TWU Land. A CC can assist a crew as long as it doesn’t impede his CC responsibilities.

 

[ALUS78]

I’ve worked in 2 Hubs almost my entire career and have never had a 3 man crew ever. Hint. I’m on a 6 man crew right now which occasionally does wide bodies. The narrow body crews currently are 4 man crews and a Powerstow.

I’ve never known a CC to ever go looking for equipment for a flight. That don’t jive in TWU Land. A CC can assist a crew as long as it doesn’t impede his CC responsibilities.

Ill look into it if I have to rotate days off might as well get the proposed $2.20.Onl thing is other dude in the bagroom has like 50 years.

 

[cltrat]

Of note there are runners coming to the gate for the connection bags
As I said clearly major differences

 

[737823]

Worthless entity? LMFAO. Sorry but I don’t think so. My Bank Accounts, Stocks and 401k say something entirely different. And I ain’t driving a 1998 Mustang any more either.

The Association deserves some of the credit.

Nice try though.

You sure that’s because of the a$$ not the fact that Ford makes a poor quality product?

If you said 1998 Accord or Corolla then you’d have a point. Heck Ford is getting out of the car business to stick to their core competency of trucks and SUVs (which have higher margins).

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Of note there are runners coming to the gate for the connection bags
As I said clearly major differences

rat we have runners coming to the gate for connections also. Local man drives the bags to claim and cuts the carts and we have inbound dumpers.

I think DFW is 5 man crews and a PTer as a 6?

Don’t quote me on that though cause I left 7 years ago now.

 

[737823]

I agree except to say AW having full seniority was pretty much a non-factor for US and AA rank-and-file, as average AW ramp agents seniority was a few total years, and even if an ramp agent started at AW day one, by the time of the merger with US that person would only have 22 years. While respectable, it was pretty average among the US side and later the AA guys. AW received no protections or fences during the ensuing post-merger furloughs, which I think to be unfortunate as it would be far more easier to stay with a job that paid reasonably well with good benefits (as with US and AA), than it would be to stay with a job that took 6 years to make $10/hour with lousy benefits. Not surprising the average seniority at both US and AA to be much higher as the turn-over rate to be much lower.

I was just making an observation, nothing against you or other HP people. People get very lucky working for a small company that may get acquired by Google or Amazon and then get a huge windfall.

Wasn’t the joke that HP would hire anyone who could fog up a mirror?

My point was more on people from 580 who are now at 141 (and IAM Grand Lodge perhaps) have done remarkably well in all this.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

You sure that’s because of the a$$ not the fact that Ford makes a poor quality product?

If you said 1998 Accord or Corolla then you’d have a point. Heck Ford is getting out of the car business to stick to their core competency of trucks and SUVs (which have higher margins).

Josh

Hey buddy I tolerate your crap more than I should and I’m one of the few people that gives you even a little attention. Don’t start pushing your luck talking about Fords now.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/why-ford-cancel-cars-us-lineup/

 

[Racer X]

Should have been longer.

Been thru this. EGAD!!!!

 

[gulfcoast1]

so, this isn't a hunch or an 'i wish' moment...your top secret source tipped you off?

well, if it's the case, i agree...the twu will vote in a T/A that promises money that couldn't have been dreamed of 7-8 years ago.

we're still looking at $3k signing bonus per lucky employee and $65k fsc buyout?

the laa crew chiefs really lucked out if the language goes the laa way. unbelievable...and the company wants lavs instead. we'll have a handful of bad news c/c and contract workers crashing into planes and messing up the lavs.

if arpey was still ceo, i'd guess i'd be the other way around.

Can I ask what going the LAA way means?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Crema if the LAA cc work rules are indeed to way going forward that’s going to be quite a change on the LUS side,I can tell you that,if what I have read is correct

most definitely...a good change. if anything, you won't see anymore 2 yr lus guys as 'leads' and 35 yr lus guys will be taking the pin.

where i work, some of the c/c sit in a chair all day. they get fed by lazy slackers and scammers. after 5 hours on shift, they ask me if it's raining outside. no, it's 81 and sunny.

even better, after 8.5 hrs, they tell the csm, "put me down for 2 hrs". not bad. 2 more ot hrs. in a chair.

it will be such a good change, you won't be able to sleep at night feeling so guilty.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Can I ask what going the LAA way means?

you can ask. the aa way is our contractual c/c language compared to lus/iam lead language.

if a former aw/lus csm told my c/c to push a plane or tried to direct 'his' workforce, i'd pay money to hear his reaction.

 

[Jester]

Weez,if the rules that jester posted are right and no one said otherwise.Im responsible to have any equipment needed to work the flight from wands to extra carts needed for mail and freight on the off load.If it need an air start? Yep I got to make that happen to on getting an air start cart.yes an assign lead may have someone available to go get on but not often,I never have enough personnel on the gate to send one myself or rarely do.If they are being tight on staffing then that big mail off load? I’ll be the guy down there putting it in the cart.
Many times staffing is such that I will have a three man crew and one is off dropping locals I may have to scan and throw bags to have a hope of the plane leaving on time and if it doesn’t yep I’m in there answering why

I’ve worked in 2 Hubs almost my entire career and have never had a 3 man crew ever. Hint. I’m on a 6 man crew right now which occasionally does wide bodies. The narrow body crews currently are 4 man crews and a Powerstow.

I’ve never known a CC to ever go looking for equipment for a flight. That don’t jive in TWU Land. A CC can assist a crew as long as it doesn’t impede his CC responsibilities.

I have never had a 4-man crew (excluding the Lead) in my entire time outside of maybe some unique situations such as a ground turn with a bunch of freight being dumped and/or a heavy load of bags and freight being loaded. 757 flights to HNL or maybe those 320 flights to ANC were about the only consistent flights where there would be 2 crews (4-6) people, plus the Lead.

Anyone catch Isom's comments a few months ago at an LAX town hall meeting when someone complained working short-staffed and Isom basically said that the Power Stows were designed to replace people, so what was he griping about? Given the push for efficiencies, I would be shocked if the LAA CC duties were untouched after a JCBA, as senior management claims AA has too many line employees for the fleet size and LAA CC's are hardly a model of efficiency.