American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[dfw gen]

You know the one on Jetnet. You think that the guys in the Association that you bad mouth are going to get you something better?
Correct me if I"m wrong
1. You badmouth the association and despise its leadership.
2. You want to vote the association out
3. You think the association can get you a better contract than the one that was on jetnet
4. You want to vote no and hope the jetnet proposal gets turned down if presented.
5. You think your group will do better by further delay.

If I am wrong about any of this, then please let me know. But if you really think that the Association is going to get you something better than the Jetnet proposal and it will do so by further delaying, then isn't that the very path that the Association proclaims? Then what is your fuss?

regards,

yes you are wrong. the jetnet proposal was not a COMPLETE proposal. there were a few things left out. if you read it you might have noticed that. i will say though your posts are kind of humorous. according to you we were supposed to have a ta 3 weeks ago. still see anything on the horizon?

 

[V.O. Reason]

you would think that with profits coming out tomorrow, there would be like a deadline to announce some good news. maybe a little urgency to get this done. just a thought.

I thought the same to make Doug look like the hero here but doubtful anything comes out

 

[V.O. Reason]

yes you are wrong. the jetnet proposal was not a COMPLETE proposal. there were a few things left out. if you read it you might have noticed that. i will say though your posts are kind of humorous. according to you we were supposed to have a ta 3 weeks ago. still see anything on the horizon?

I would agree the proposal was not complete but it should have given us a general idea what they were putting on the table and in fact they put out enhancements that the company moved towards what the ASS was wanting and yet here we are 5 months and still nothing so who is holding this up?
I think it’s pretty clear who it is

 

[dfw gen]

I would agree the proposal was not complete but it should have given us a general idea what they were putting on the table and in fact they put out enhancements that the company moved towards what the ASS was wanting and yet here we are 5 months and still nothing so who is holding this up?
I think it’s pretty clear who it is

what gets me is what 4 weeks of intense talks and we are told nothing. what the hell have they got left to do after 4 years.....

 

[JREwing]

what gets me is what 4 weeks of intense talks and we are told nothing. what the hell have they got left to do after 4 years.....

I agree it's frustrating, but when it comes right down to it, it doesn't matter what we see (or hear) unless it's a T.A. to review and vote on.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Is a 100$ million contempt fine going to be proof enough for you

why not $450 million? isn't that the apprx. amount that boeing 'owes' aa - running total of 3 quarters of lost pre-tax profits??

one is a partner and the other consists of team members.

is there a difference in how boeing and the assoc. are being treated? which entity has caused more havoc and mayhem upon profits?

did aa distance itself from the angry AMT supervisor who was recorded?

has the assoc. distanced itself from angry rogue members?

what's the difference between the the two?

 

[ALUS78]

why not $450 million? isn't that the apprx. amount that boeing 'owes' aa - running total of 3 quarters of lost pre-tax profits??

one is a partner and the other consists of team members.

is there a difference in how boeing and the assoc. are being treated? which entity has caused more havoc and mayhem upon profits?

did aa distance itself from the angry AMT supervisor who was recorded?

has the assoc. distanced itself from angry rogue members?

what's the difference between the the two?

Apples and oranges, but AA probably will get a damages from Boeing

 

[Tim Nelson]

yes you are wrong. the jetnet proposal was not a COMPLETE proposal. there were a few things left out. if you read it you might have noticed that. i will say though your posts are kind of humorous. according to you we were supposed to have a ta 3 weeks ago. still see anything on the horizon?

Jetnet proposal was complete for fleet.
At any rate, I dismantled all your goofy rants as you continually hate on the association but then claim that the association will get more than what the company has offered.
You cant pick and choose. If you believe you are going to get more due to the association, then crown the association and give it credit.
The sad reality is that pedro and other grease monkeys do the same work but at about $2 an hour.

 

[swamt]

In this case it plays well for the twu. They have never gave much info to start with .

Yea I remember the "Articles 1,2,3,4&5 have been T/A'ed. Other articles being discussed at next meetings." No details on what the details of the T/A'ed articles were. So still left clueless within the membership. Pathetic.

 

[swamt]

why not $450 million? isn't that the apprx. amount that boeing 'owes' aa - running total of 3 quarters of lost pre-tax profits??

one is a partner and the other consists of team members.

is there a difference in how boeing and the assoc. are being treated? which entity has caused more havoc and mayhem upon profits?

did aa distance itself from the angry AMT supervisor who was recorded?

has the assoc. distanced itself from angry rogue members?

what's the difference between the the two?

BTW What happened to that sup. that went off on the AMT's in that video?
Just curious if anything was done or if the co. just overlooked it in time.

 

[swamt]

Apples and oranges, but AA probably will get a damages from Boeing

AA will just like SWA will too. We have already been told by our CEO that he will share the settlement with the employees once it is done. We will see when it happens.

 

[Rogallo]

The sad reality is that pedro and other grease monkeys do the same work but at about $2 an hour.

Sí, ¡pero Pedro saca un producto basura!

 

[NYer]

what gets me is what 4 weeks of intense talks and we are told nothing. what the hell have they got left to do after 4 years.....

The hardest part (Scope), for several different groups, plus the negotiations to try and make the legal stuff go away.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

aa with $835 million pre-tax profit - before special items.

disappointing, top line missed. revenues at $11.9 billion, apprx. $660 million less than delta's 3q.

this is what delta had to say about it's record q3 revenues:

Domestic premium product revenue grew 11% and corporate revenue grew 8%, consistent with growth in the first half of the year.

i know i sound like a broken record, but aa neglecting/degrading it's premium product is insane during recent and current economic conditions.

sorry, RJ flying doesn't cut it.

aa also paid .7 cents more a gallon for mainline jet fuel than delta and .1 cent more than united. are we going to the wrong gas station?

aa purchased 981 million gallons in the quarter...x .7 cents a gallon, you get the idea.

if we point at delta's refinery, delta said this about it's 'ancillary businesses and refinery':

Ancillary businesses and refinery

279


410


(131)


(32)

a $131 million loser in 3q19 compared to 3q18. 32% hit.

all in all, aa pointed a finger at the max groundings and operational challenges resulting from labor contract negotiations. lame.

the company also deposited $52 million into profit sharing...taking us to $139 million for the year. delta is at $1.256 billion and united is at $368 million.

today, southwest put $144 million into it's kitty...taking them to $403 million for the year.

 

[wings396]

These numbers aren't really that bad with the MAX grounding coupled to the crappy operation that AA ran this summer. Heck, the amount of transatlantic operations that were cancelled alone had to rack up some staggering losses.