American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[dfw gen]

What we fail to understand is that this management team hates anything american airlines.

 

[dfw gen]

Ridiculous: LUS getting more money for having to accept AA medical while since the merger TWU has had to pay more money for medical. Think TWU members should be getting the extra money. Please explain.

All something like this will do is ensure moral stays in the toilet and will cement our position neck and neck with spirit, just behind frontier....

 

[bigjets]

Not really. We haven't been getting robust updates up to this point.

We do get a bunch of rhetoric though. Have yet to hear anything truthful

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Don't seem to understand the circumstances we're in, eh.

There won't be a retro to September, might as well get your head around that. You can make believe the signing bonus is your retro, if you'd like. Won't get both though.

It seems ridiculous how TWU people reason with themselves about the bonus. Let's see, let me not vote to get higher pay because LUS is getting $6K. I'll forgo getting more and help them keep their lower medical and more holidays than us. That'll show 'em.

What a ridiculous position to take.

let's see...retro + $3k for all, makes sense to me.

the company is being ridiculous. they will save $3k for every lus worker and save on insurance. the twu is 65%-70% of assoc. voters?

who's reasoning is ridiculous?

 

[V.O. Reason]

I can tell you from this IAM person I think it’s completely unfair for us to get an extra bonus just to get votes, which is exactly why that was proposed.
By the way don’t think that is still on the table.
I would much prefer a higher signing bonus for all say 5000,
dump the PS for higher across the board wages
But hey I’m just one voice

 

[CremaDiLimone]

What does pay have to do with anything.

We have guys making $17 and less... Planes still take off and land.

i have no problem with you trying to see all sides. the side you are selecting now, is one i expect a former america west exec out of phx to have.

an irrelevant airline with irrelevant execs, who are getting blown out of the water by united and delta.

cold weather. snow. wind chills. example, ord is not phx..as far as volume and weather.

$17/hr deicing 'contractors' won't show up on time, if at all, on below zero days.

for the good of all, including aa, it is best to keep aa deicing it's planes. bad winter weather in 2 stations deiced by contractors, will destroy the reliability and dependability of aa for 2 days at a time.

i understand the company wishes i would work for free, i assume the company is smart enough not to let contractors ruin it's operation.

 

[Talos]

That remains to be seen.

It does remain to be seen. But to the company will put a squeeze on them if they are not much more flexible. Company has the upper hand here with that court ruling.

 

[Matt1200]

I met with the IAM pension people this morning. Weaseling informed the I could face up too a 27% decrease in my retirement. If I go out in less than 2 years will receive full amount

 

[1AA]

I wonder how the latest spike in oil prices will affect negotiations?
Read several business stories and they all say AA is in the worse position to weather the storm on oil prices spiking. SWA is in the best because they continue to hedge oil.
One article contributed the problem as AA consumes the most fuel of all the Majors.

 

[Kev3188]

Does anyone know what top pay for delta mechanics is now, after there recent raise

$46.72 base

 

[NYer]

let's see...retro + $3k for all, makes sense to me.

the company is being ridiculous. they will save $3k for every lus worker and save on insurance. the twu is 65%-70% of assoc. voters?

who's reasoning is ridiculous?

Of course it makes sense to you, because it's more.

The extra $3,000 proposed to the IAM is because they're losing more and gaining less than TWU Members.

 

[NYer]

i have no problem with you trying to see all sides. the side you are selecting now, is one i expect a former america west exec out of phx to have.

an irrelevant airline with irrelevant execs, who are getting blown out of the water by united and delta.

cold weather. snow. wind chills. example, ord is not phx..as far as volume and weather.

$17/hr deicing 'contractors' won't show up on time, if at all, on below zero days.

for the good of all, including aa, it is best to keep aa deicing it's planes. bad winter weather in 2 stations deiced by contractors, will destroy the reliability and dependability of aa for 2 days at a time.

i understand the company wishes i would work for free, i assume the company is smart enough not to let contractors ruin it's operation.

Gentlemen. I've said this over and over. It's a copy cat business.

If Delta and United, who are supposedly blowing us out of the water, are using an outside vendor to deice then LAA will want to do the same.

It's interesting how the use of other airlines doing better than us is used so often. If other airlines are using vendors for these functions and we argue they're better than we're also saying the vendor is helping them in that cause.

 

[NYer]

I wonder how the latest spike in oil prices will affect negotiations?
Read several business stories and they all say AA is in the worse position to weather the storm on oil prices spiking. SWA is in the best because they continue to hedge oil.
One article contributed the problem as AA consumes the most fuel of all the Majors.

Short term, no effect.

If the lower oil production lasts longer or if there is another attack, it could certainly be a factor.

 

[1AA]

Gentlemen. I've said this over and over. It's a copy cat business.

If Delta and United, who are supposedly blowing us out of the water, are using an outside vendor to deice then LAA will want to do the same.

It's interesting how the use of other airlines doing better than us is used so often. If other airlines are using vendors for these functions and we argue they're better than we're also saying the vendor is helping them in that cause.

I wish it was a copy cat business.
If it truly was then we would have the same profit sharing, the same vacation days, the same holidays, the same shift premiums, the same OT multiplier, the same sick time acruel and so on. It's a copy cat in areas that benefits the company and the workers less if at all.

 

[Fleetoffoot]

Gentlemen. I've said this over and over. It's a copy cat business.

If Delta and United, who are supposedly blowing us out of the water, are using an outside vendor to deice then LAA will want to do the same.

It's interesting how the use of other airlines doing better than us is used so often. If other airlines are using vendors for these functions and we argue they're better than we're also saying the vendor is helping them in that cause.

If what you say is true then why is American looking to contract out title II when both United and delta has facility maintenance and GSE. As a matter of fact delta contracted out facility maintenance about four years ago that lasted less than a year and they both offered everybody back their jobs with a bonus because the contractors were not reliable and more costly.