American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[MetalMover]

You think it requires no skill to safely run and taxi a $200 million 200k lb 787 or any other aircraft ex 777 300 aircraft around a crowded ramp and across busy runways while taking detailed instructions from FAA tower controllers and be prepared to execute emergency procedures if necessary?

Perhaps you should think again about what your saying..

ALUS is right. At JFK, AA is the only airline using mechanics to high-speed tow aircraft everywhere and anywhere. Delta and JetBlue have dedicated move crews. The international terminal has vendors doing their moves all over the airport. Including taxi ways. When there is only one job function one does, that person gets damn good at it.
But they do NOT taxi aircraft. Just tow.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Wonder how far this conversation would go.if you had your own union i think you'd put up a greater fight

It might be better to say how far the conversation would go with the "right" union.

Here at United, the mechanics lost our contract rights to R&D under the IAM, which represented both AMTs and FS.

We lost our remaining rights to aircraft movement under the teamsters, who represented only AMTs

 

[dfw gen]

You think it requires no skill to safely run and taxi a $200 million 200k lb 787 or any other aircraft ex 777 300 aircraft around a crowded ramp and across busy runways while taking detailed instructions from FAA tower controllers and be prepared to execute emergency procedures if necessary?

Perhaps you should think again about what your saying..

You cant put much stock into his post, hes just a tim nelson alter ego.

 

[T5towbar]

I still have my DR3. I was on the Move Team at my hub. I've handled all types of aircraft, and moving back jetways. It's part of the job. I wen't back to the general ramp because there are some pros and cons to the job, and since the pool of people to trade with is limited, I left, so I can make more money (ie: trades and OT) rampside. The job is not for everyone, and in my hub, it is senior.

Do you guys think that once this contract is done, will you guys have a dedicated move teams across your system?

 

[robbedagain]

I still have my DR3. I was on the Move Team at my hub. I've handled all types of aircraft, and moving back jetways. It's part of the job. I wen't back to the general ramp because there are some pros and cons to the job, and since the pool of people to trade with is limited, I left, so I can make more money (ie: trades and OT) rampside. The job is not for everyone, and in my hub, it is senior.

Do you guys think that once this contract is done, will you guys have a dedicated move teams across your system?

If there would be Id imagine itd be a senior thing as that would likely be all they would do. But if it is n if in say station like DCA then itd be more questionable who in regards to senior junior n open time who would do the job

 

[ALUS78]

You think it requires no skill to safely run and taxi a $200 million 200k lb 787 or any other aircraft ex 777 300 aircraft around a crowded ramp and across busy runways while taking detailed instructions from FAA tower controllers and be prepared to execute emergency procedures if necessary?

Perhaps you should think again about what

You think it requires no skill to safely run and taxi a $200 million 200k lb 787 or any other aircraft ex 777 300 aircraft around a crowded ramp and across busy runways while taking detailed instructions from FAA tower controllers and be prepared to execute emergency procedures if necessary?

Perhaps you should think again about what your saying..

I should have been clearer thought you would understand what i meant of course running up and taxiing is skilled i meant movement like when we reposition a flight from the hangar to the terminal by towing onto taxi ways across active runways if need be.It requires some responsibility but skill im not to sure

 

[ALUS78]

I still have my DR3. I was on the Move Team at my hub. I've handled all types of aircraft, and moving back jetways. It's part of the job. I wen't back to the general ramp because there are some pros and cons to the job, and since the pool of people to trade with is limited, I left, so I can make more money (ie: trades and OT) rampside. The job is not for everyone, and in my hub, it is senior.

Do you guys think that once this contract is done, will you guys have a dedicated move teams across your system?

I gave up my DR3 cant see that good at night i wouldnt feel comfortable doing it guess i could ride the brakes its a 4 hour course

 

[ALUS78]

You cant put much stock into his post, hes just a tim nelson alter ego.

Youre just so full of yourself no one is indispensable...no one....and yout jealous of Tim

 

[ALUS78]

It might be better to say how far the conversation would go with the "right" union.

Here at United, the mechanics lost our contract rights to R&D under the IAM, which represented both AMTs and FS.

We lost our remaining rights to aircraft movement under the teamsters, who represented only AMTs

My point all unions are the same but a mechanic union would fight harder to at least keep the dues

 

[ALUS78]

If there would be Id imagine itd be a senior thing as that would likely be all they would do. But if it is n if in say station like DCA then itd be more questionable who in regards to senior junior n open time who would do the job

At first only the leads were doing it then it spread.People are really reluctant at first

 

[ALUS78]

ALUS is right. At JFK, AA is the only airline using mechanics to high-speed tow aircraft everywhere and anywhere. Delta and JetBlue have dedicated move crews. The international terminal has vendors doing their moves all over the airport. Including taxi ways. When there is only one job function one does, that person gets damn good at it.
But they do NOT taxi aircraft. Just tow.

Just talked to a dude who work for contract company made 17$ towed 777 all over JFK said it was easy...

 

[dfw gen]

Youre just so full of yourself no one is indispensable...no one....and yout jealous of Tim

Now that is funny! Jealous of a dumbass..

 

[robbedagain]

At first only the leads were doing it then it spread.People are really reluctant at first

Rightfully so. But as time goes on more folks sign up

 

[bigjets]

You think it requires no skill to safely run and taxi a $200 million 200k lb 787 or any other aircraft ex 777 300 aircraft around a crowded ramp and across busy runways while taking detailed instructions from FAA tower controllers and be prepared to execute emergency procedures if necessary?

Perhaps you should think again about what your saying..

Not sure if you know that ramp moves airplanes at other airports, not only does ramp push planes off the gate with pax on board in crowded terminal areas, but ramp also tows aircraft with high speed tugs on taxiways while communicating with ground control.

Don’t be so arrogant, at ORD we all taxi airplanes (yes that takes a certain amount of skill) but we also work on aircraft, both terminal and hangar.

Like I said earlier, if AA wanted FSCs to move aircraft, they would be moving aircraft. If AA wanted to do away with OH, AA would have done that too during BK.

 

[bigjets]

Dude im throwin the bull **** flag! Would you like me to pull your previous posts where " mechanics should do mechanics work, let fleet do the moves" you sure do flip flop a lot.

Don’t get me wrong, I would like to keep it as it’s easy, any dope can be on the move crews, what I have always said, I don’t want to sacrifice pay so some mech scared of his tool box can hold wands and stare at a wing tip.

Taxing aircraft is and always will be a mech function. That’s what I have said.