American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

C’mon little Conehead777, make a comment.


"Selling out" is a common idiomatic pejorative expression for the compromising of a person's integrity, morality, authenticity, or principles in exchange for personal gain, such as money”

Anyway you cut it Mark and others took an oath when they won office. I’m not sure if that oath specified only as long as you continue to hold office or until you lose?

When Tony Noviello was “let go” from the International I called him on the phone and told him he should use his contacts and come back to AA as a Manager.

He didn’t quite say it this way and I actually argued with him but his integrity is what was holding him back.

I think Tony is driving a School Bus today isn’t he? (Integrity intact)

No....stupid decision is what that is

 

[ALUS78]

NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE:

April 26, 2019

American, AGAIN, Shows Their Unwillingness to Negotiate an Agreement – NMB Fails with its Strategy

Brothers and Sisters,

The Association leadership met with American Airlines’ negotiators and Federal Mediators this week in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. The Mediator’s unorthodox approach to these negotiations failed to provide adequate space for the parties to face-off in the critical high stakes final issues to be resolved. The recent sessions were short threeday bursts that started late in the mornings and did not proceed into the evenings. The Mediators kept the negotiators in separate rooms instead of creating an environment that forced the negotiators to face each other to reach an agreement or stalemate. An arbitrary deadline was set (without agreement from the Association) that resulted in this session to be the last 3 days the NMB have scheduled for the parties to meet.

The company took advantage of this strategy (that undermines the process and favors the company) by continuing with their greed driven tactics and proposals. Company management is unwilling to acknowledge the workforce, whose sacrifices have created the world’s largest airline that makes Billions in profits.

Given the company’s unwillingness to move away from demanding massive concessions from our members, the Mediators have informed us that they will report to their superiors at the National Mediation Board (NMB) that they do not see a clear path to reaching an agreement. This process will take a number of weeks. It will be up to the NMB to determine the next step(s) in this process as outlined under the Railway Labor Act.

Since the beginning of these negotiations, company negotiators have continued to hold steadfast in their opening positions of massive concessions in SCOPE, failed to move off their substandard health and retirement positions and will not negotiate to secure best in the industry compensation. What they have focused on is continuing to spin their half-truths on Jetnet.

We are certain that the company will be lobbying the NMB to recommend a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB) since they cannot get the concessions they want from your negotiators. The recommendations from a PEB could favor the company. We must be prepared to reject those recommendations.

It is time for every Association represented member to clearly and unambiguously let the company know you will not accept another concessionary agreement. Your Association leadership has let the Company know that they are in for a fight. All of us must accept the fact this fight is truly on and it does personally affect each of us from this day forward.

Our collective success is up to you.

Fraternally,

Your Association Negotiating Committees

Didnt one of the negotiators tell me he thought we would end up with a PEB and that they looked forward to it.Guess that strategy has changed

 

[WeAAsles]

No....stupid decision is what that is

If you walked into DFW, Tony Noviello has more credibility, respect, and admiration then you could ever earn even if you spent another 40 years with the Company Al.

You really shouldn’t make a judgment of a Man you don’t even know.

 

[Filter]

If you walked into DFW, Tony Noviello has more credibility, respect, and administration then you could ever earn even if you spent another 40 years with the Company Al.

You really shouldn’t make a judgment of a Man you don’t even know.

I’m a big Noviello fan...it was Gordon and Little that talked him into taking the early out...Tony was great at what he did and everyone did respect him...knew the contract as well as anyone, was great in arbitrations and a fun guy to hang around with...his bad decision wasn’t going to the international...it was listening to Little and Gordon...

 

[ALUS78]

If you walked into DFW, Tony Noviello has more credibility, respect, and administration then you could ever earn even if you spent another 40 years with the Company Al.

You really shouldn’t make a judgment of a Man you don’t even know.

Well if he turned down a lucrative managerial job in favor of driving a school bus for "integrity reasons" hes a fool.A mans loyalty should be to his family and to provide for them.And ill defy you to go to any station in this company and find someone who'll talk **** about me in a derogatory way.Ive met hundreds of people through the years and never dad a problem with anyone.You on the other hand cant walk the wingspan of a 321 without someone giving you the finger

 

[ALUS78]

I’m a big Noviello fan...it was Gordon and Little that talked him into taking the early out...Tony was great at what he did and everyone did respect him...knew the contract as well as anyone, was great in arbitrations and a fun guy to hang around with...his bad decision wasn’t going to the international...it was listening to Little and Gordon...

Exactly good people make bad decisions

 

[WeAAsles]

I’m a big Noviello fan...it was Gordon and Little that talked him into taking the early out...Tony was great at what he did and everyone did respect him...knew the contract as well as anyone, was great in arbitrations and a fun guy to hang around with...his bad decision wasn’t going to the international...it was listening to Little and Gordon...

That’s why I tell anyone and everyone not to separate from the Company even when they’re heading up that ladder because you just never know.

I actually don’t even blame Little and Gordon on that one because they didn’t know or probably even believe the winds of change were coming for them.

I think if Wexler hadn’t been available Tony would still be in the International? I think it hurt Tony even more that Gillespie never reached out after he was out.

And Tony was 100% pure Aces. I don’t have even an iota of a bad thing to say about the man.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well if he turned down a lucrative managerial job in favor of driving a school bus for "integrity reasons" hes a fool.A mans loyalty should be to his family and to provide for them.And ill defy you to go to any station in this company and find someone who'll talk **** about me in a derogatory way.Ive met hundreds of people through the years and never dad a problem with anyone.You on the other hand cant walk the wingspan of a 321 without someone giving you the finger

Tony was offered a better paying Management position while he was still an officer of Local 513 and he turned it down because of his loyalty to the Membership.

I didn’t say that he was offered a job Al, I said that he didn’t want to reach out to see if one would be available for him which I’m 100% sure there would have been. And that’s even with all the Merger shakeups.

And his kids were long grown and out of the house by then Al. He was far from broke or worried about his economic situation.

 

[WeAAsles]

Exactly good people make bad decisions

I can say the same thing about you if I want to be your judge.

 

[Kev3188]

I’m a big Noviello fan...it was Gordon and Little that talked him into taking the early out...Tony was great at what he did and everyone did respect him...knew the contract as well as anyone, was great in arbitrations and a fun guy to hang around with...his bad decision wasn’t going to the international...it was listening to Little and Gordon...

That's too bad. Guys like that are invaluable.

You on the other hand cant walk the wingspan of a 321 without someone giving you the finger

Lol.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weasel time for you to have another lunch date with Envoy. Things aren’t going to well

https://envoyagents.org/bargaining-updates/its-time-to-mobilize/
Bargaining with Envoy resumed last week, and the company refused to meet our demands for significant wage increases or a reduction in the length of the contract.

I’m sorry to read that for them. The pattern with this Company is now clearly recognized.

Doug “Snake oil Salesman” Parker and Robert “The Weasel” Isom are exposed.

 

[MetalMover]

NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE:

April 26, 2019

American, AGAIN, Shows Their Unwillingness to Negotiate an Agreement – NMB Fails with its Strategy

Brothers and Sisters,

The Association leadership met with American Airlines’ negotiators and Federal Mediators this week in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. The Mediator’s unorthodox approach to these negotiations failed to provide adequate space for the parties to face-off in the critical high stakes final issues to be resolved. The recent sessions were short threeday bursts that started late in the mornings and did not proceed into the evenings. The Mediators kept the negotiators in separate rooms instead of creating an environment that forced the negotiators to face each other to reach an agreement or stalemate. An arbitrary deadline was set (without agreement from the Association) that resulted in this session to be the last 3 days the NMB have scheduled for the parties to meet.

The company took advantage of this strategy (that undermines the process and favors the company) by continuing with their greed driven tactics and proposals. Company management is unwilling to acknowledge the workforce, whose sacrifices have created the world’s largest airline that makes Billions in profits.

Given the company’s unwillingness to move away from demanding massive concessions from our members, the Mediators have informed us that they will report to their superiors at the National Mediation Board (NMB) that they do not see a clear path to reaching an agreement. This process will take a number of weeks. It will be up to the NMB to determine the next step(s) in this process as outlined under the Railway Labor Act.

Since the beginning of these negotiations, company negotiators have continued to hold steadfast in their opening positions of massive concessions in SCOPE, failed to move off their substandard health and retirement positions and will not negotiate to secure best in the industry compensation. What they have focused on is continuing to spin their half-truths on Jetnet.

We are certain that the company will be lobbying the NMB to recommend a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB) since they cannot get the concessions they want from your negotiators. The recommendations from a PEB could favor the company. We must be prepared to reject those recommendations.

It is time for every Association represented member to clearly and unambiguously let the company know you will not accept another concessionary agreement. Your Association leadership has let the Company know that they are in for a fight. All of us must accept the fact this fight is truly on and it does personally affect each of us from this day forward.

Our collective success is up to you.

Fraternally,

Your Association Negotiating Committees

Brilliant move.
Amazing how delusional some people are. THE COMPANY AIN'T GONNA BUDGE!
Next, the ASSociation will begin the strike rhetoric.

 

[WeAAsles]

Brilliant move.
Amazing how delusional some people are. THE COMPANY AIN'T GONNA BUDGE!
Next, the ASSociation will begin the strike rhetoric.

No Strike. Lockout. The Company is pushing to lock us all out.

BTW ultimately both sides will reach an acceptable agreement you do know.

But this is how the game has been and always will be played in the Airline Industry unfortunately.

No one ever really wants to write a new or more interesting playbook.

 

[MetalMover]

No Strike. Lockout. The Company is pushing to lock us all out.

BTW ultimately both sides will reach an acceptable agreement you do know.

But this is how the game has been and always will be played in the Airline Industry unfortunately.

No one ever really wants to write a new or more interesting playbook.

I truly think that at the end of the day, the company gets what it wants one way or another.
As far as my strike comment, I was referring the end game if it ever were to get to that.

 

[AANOTOK]

On what particularly?

Did you get told by the Association they company asked them to let us vote? Were you told the company was seeking arbitration?
What else has the Association kept from the members??