American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

I don’t put Al on ignore cause he really is an AA (LUS) Employee and I have just a tiny tiny tiny glimmer of hope left for him.

That hope dims every day though.

Dude youre the one that flew off the handle if you dont see that youre blind.You get too upset i didnt even say anything bad about you ,get help.I told you im not going to be the one to give you a heary attack so please put me on ignore.You should try something less stressful

 

[WeAAsles]

Dude youre the one that flew off the handle if you dont see that youre blind.You get too upset i didnt even say anything bad about you ,get help.I told you im not going to be the one to give you a heary attack so please put me on ignore.You should try something less stressful

I like you way too much to ignore you Al. Just can’t do it. 🙂

 

[Tim Nelson]

The guy on the right is Samuelsen i can tell cause he looks like hes sounding out a word but the other dude i havent a clue.They both do.look well fed though

both are corporate ceos making ttl of well over $300,000 plus sweetheart deals.

 

[lax]

Why? Because I don’t support them being screwed out of something any more than we should be screwed out of something also.

Maybe you need to get your priorities straight?

Are you serious? You refer to your own guys as “pricks” and “greedy.” Yet you constantly cheerlead a group that forced us into an association to negate our ability to vote. A group that got 60% raises yet holds 75% of the workforce hostage because they can’t afford to pay a lousy $50 more a month. Need I say more? It’s pretty clear who the “greedy pricks” are. The IAM proves over and over that they are LAA’s enemy, but somehow someway you find a way to stay up their a$$. Wake up man! gd hypocrite

 

[Bin Stretcher]

Your a smart guy weez using that i think i know your answer.just dont understand why you would follow a bullchitter

Hey Al.... did TN offer you a 12 pack of Heineken?

https://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/free-heineken/85929581/

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you serious? You refer to your own guys as “pricks” and “greedy.” Yet you constantly cheerlead a group that forced us into an association to negate our ability to vote. A group that got 60% raises yet holds 75% of the workforce hostage because they can’t afford to pay a lousy $50 more a month. Need I say more? It’s pretty clear who the “greedy pricks” are. The IAM proves over and over that they are LAA’s enemy, but somehow someway you find a way to stay up their a$$. Wake up man! gd hypocrite

You need to go back and read. I was very critical of them not participating in protests. I’ve been critical of how they treat their Part Timers. I’ve been critical of how they run their Elections. And I’ve been critical of how some of the Association updates have been written.

No I’m not going to be critical that they want to keep their LUS Medical. And it’s absolutely not just $50 per Month. Obviously you haven’t done the research cause you don’t care. Maybe you want them to roll over cause you think it will be over if they do. I guess you don’t notice there are other issues besides the Medical. Those issues are the MAJOR holdup.

Anyway here, do some research.

https://my.aa.com/annual-enrollment/

How did they force us into an Association to negate our ability to vote? They pushed for an Association so they wouldn’t be put out of business at the New AA because TWU had the numbers to tell them to just beat it. (TWU would have done the same thing if they could in their shoes)

And I call our guys greedy cause they want THEM to relent on everything so they can get what they want $$$$$$.... Sure the IAM guys are being greedy too wanting to keep what they have. AA Management is also being greedy wanting to take from us. You’re being greedy thinking their Medical is only $20 bucks more expensive.

Everyone’s greedy. (You happy now)

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW if AA Management really thinks their Medical Plans are so much better than the old LUS plans why don’t they just offer all of the plans as is and let us decide what we want?

If the Standard Plan is so much better than the LUS 80/20 maybe I’ll “choose” to stay in the Standard Plan?

AA is purposely pushing their Employees out of the non contractual “Value Plans” BTW by raising the costs to a level where very few people out there are going to chose to be a part of it any longer.

Costing people out.

 

[swamt]

Don't you have it wrong? Wasn't it when AMFA wanted an agreement? I'm not saying I'm right, but didn't AMFA sign a TA after it was sued by the company in front of a friendly judge for a tab of millions? I looked at your TA and it didn't appear much different than the one you guys rejected a couple years ago, other than imputing more compensation for the further delay.

regards,

There was a big diff. in the two T/A's. Second one, as blue said, also had many more protections for positions, heads and no lay off clauses added. The second offer is as blue indicated and included raises on ALL outgoing years where the first skipped one year and nothing on the final. Also by the company trying to relocate the AD to April instead of Aug., in the first offer was all by itself a 37 million difference the membership would have been without. The changes were larger than most think with added language and protections. Even the economics were greatly increased from 91 million (tot. package I believe) to 160 million tot., a diff. of 69 million from the last nego sessions since the co. NC was refusing to move on money, and Kinder came in with full authority to get it done and it appears he has done so.

Did you guys run a smear campaign against the companys officers or were you never that desperate

No. Why do you ask that?

 

[swamt]

Kev are they going to anounce a raise for you tomorrow?

They should be. Did you see the 1st Q report? Great numbers...

 

[WeAAsles]

Here’s a kicker for you posters out there. My Brother dropped out of High School and never went back. Eventually he started his own business where he earned more last year than the International Leaders of the TWU and the IAM going by the LM2’s.

He absolutely doesn’t get anywhere near to touching Doug Parker.

“BLOOMBERG
January 4th, 2018

Doug Parker, the chief executive officer of American Airlines, has already taken home $19.2 million this year, well more than he received for all of last year.


The stock appreciation rights he exercised, disclosed in a filing Wednesday, are just part of Parker’s 2018 take-home pay. The awards had been granted in 2008 and were set to expire in April. He’s also set to receive payouts from restricted stock awards — some of which are tied to performance — that could bring his total to more than $31 million this year, based on Tuesday’s closing price. His take-home pay was $11.3 million last year, the majority of which came from stock awards.”

 

[swamt]

Not that I know of?

Kev, congrats on 1Q revs and profits.
I think ours is going to take a pretty good hit and again some in the 2Q as well.

 

[swamt]

Are you serious? You refer to your own guys as “pricks” and “greedy.” Yet you constantly cheerlead a group that forced us into an association to negate our ability to vote. A group that got 60% raises yet holds 75% of the workforce hostage because they can’t afford to pay a lousy $50 more a month. Need I say more? It’s pretty clear who the “greedy pricks” are. The IAM proves over and over that they are LAA’s enemy, but somehow someway you find a way to stay up their a$$. Wake up man! gd hypocrite

You do realize he's just a puppet on asso. strings don't you? He's always just doing and saying what he is told to by his leaders.

 

[robbedagain]

The card drive for fleet is coming. The separate website should be up and running after our tech people finish the American Airline section.

Imo its going to start slow at american but the association has cuffed itself by building the iam pension ice wall. After some time, more and more fleet will understand that they need the icebreaker to secure a contract vote.
After the associatin is removed, we will bring out the last best offer which will also be improved upon then scheduled to be voted on within 30 days of the new union.

regards,

What is the name n the website and what time frame for this card drive

 

[WeAAsles]

This is currently the # 1 thing I want clarified by the Company that so far they seem to be unwilling to answer.

 

[wings396]

BTW if AA Management really thinks their Medical Plans are so much better than the old LUS plans why don’t they just offer all of the plans as is and let us decide what we want?

If the Standard Plan is so much better than the LUS 80/20 maybe I’ll “choose” to stay in the Standard Plan?

AA is purposely pushing their Employees out of the non contractual “Value Plans” BTW by raising the costs to a level where very few people out there are going to chose to be a part of it any longer.

Costing people out.

I've never understood why the company hasn't made a counter offer to meet somewhere in the middle with the LAA plan with a lower deductible and max out of pocket. While many LAA people on here have commented on the monthly premiums not being as bad as the LUS side makes them out to be, they are failing to recognize that the big difference is the deductible and max out of pocket costs.