American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[charlie Brown]

bagroom is included and explicit in the work. The offer is written. It exist and its not bullet points.

WRONG!!

 

[ALUS78]

WRONG!!

Are there any specifics regarding work are they saying bagroom is not included in core verbatim?Those gray areas could easily be used by both sides.Again our existing contract has some of that and you negotiated it reccomended it and i voted for it and was content with it

 

[WeAAsles]

Are there any specifics regarding work are they saying bagroom is not included in core verbatim?Those gray areas could easily be used by both sides.Again our existing contract has some of that and you negotiated it reccomended it and i voted for it and was content with it

Al our Reps here today said the Company has stated that Fleet’s CORE Work is the “Loading and Unloading of Mainline Aircraft” only.

 

[charlie Brown]

Are there any specifics regarding work are they saying bagroom is not included in core verbatim?Those gray areas could easily be used by both sides.Again our existing contract has some of that and you negotiated it reccomended it and i voted for it and was content with it

First our current contract has the original language from our first contract when it comes to scope. The “ normal and customary “ language has been long established. The company can’t argue against this, that’s why they want to change that language to read “ core work “as has been said on here before. So the conversation took place on what the company considers core work. They stated loading and unloading aircraft only. Then conversations were had about different jobs that we currently own under the normal and customary, which was basically everything else. Again, they only want to recognize core work as loading and unloading. If you choose to not believe that? Then more power to ya.
Now if your question is have they specifically stated they want to get rid of bagroom work? No they did not. Of course they did not. But question to you and anyone that wants to believe they don’t. Is why do they want to remove the current language that’s already been established by many years of past practice.

 

[WeAAsles]

“””””But question to you and anyone that wants to believe they don’t. Is why do they want to remove the current language that’s already been established by many years of past practice””””””

I LOVE when people use Common Sense.

 

[AANOTOK]

Does Delta and United load and unload airplanes only?

 

[cltrat]

Does Delta and United load and unload airplanes only?

Good question

 

[WeAAsles]

Does Delta and United load and unload airplanes only?

Delta is non Union and can change how they chose to run their operations any time they wish. And you can read what United is required to comply with here in Article 1.

http://iam141.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/united_fleet_service_contract_2016.pdf

 

[WeAAsles]

Good question

TWU at AA has the most comprehensive language regarding performed work Scope that I know out there. It’s particularly unambiguous.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

First our current contract has the original language from our first contract when it comes to scope. The “ normal and customary “ language has been long established. The company can’t argue against this, that’s why they want to change that language to read “ core work “as has been said on here before. So the conversation took place on what the company considers core work. They stated loading and unloading aircraft only. Then conversations were had about different jobs that we currently own under the normal and customary, which was basically everything else. Again, they only want to recognize core work as loading and unloading. If you choose to not believe that? Then more power to ya.
Now if your question is have they specifically stated they want to get rid of bagroom work? No they did not. Of course they did not. But question to you and anyone that wants to believe they don’t. Is why do they want to remove the current language that’s already been established by many years of past practice.

You are correct CB, as far as the company is concerned "core work" is what they wish to claim it is. In this "case loading and unloading aircraft"...
Hell, that's pretty ambiguous... they could claim 'core work' only means baggage loading and unloading, and not bag transfer (ABR) etc... etc... etc...
When you have a contract, you need every single small detail covered, or... I'll guarantee you they will exploit every single loop hole if it saves them money!

 

[AANOTOK]

Delta is non Union and can change how they chose to run their operations any time they wish. And you can read what United is required to comply with here in Article 1.

http://iam141.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/united_fleet_service_contract_2016.pdf

No...and that may become important if this drags out long enough and goes through the process.
That goes for both Delta and United. Doesn't matter if they are union or not.

 

[ALUS78]

Does Delta and United load and unload airplanes only?

At lga they work bag room and run bags

 

[Kev3188]

Does Delta and United load and unload airplanes only?

Good question

Haha. Of course we (DL) do more than that!

Bagroom, some provisioning, Ops, Deicing, bag running, transfers, repositioning aircraft, working commuter flights, etc., etc.

 

[Tim Nelson]

WRONG!!

You can do better than that im sure.
The members want to vote. Whats the fuss? Dont think they will listen to you?
I put up a scientific poll 2 hours ago and its over 95% actually to vote. Doesnt ask how they will vote but members are uncomfortable with the same silly videos.
Admittedly, you seemed to be more convincing and no nonsense than the others but I gotta give weez more points than you since he had a picture with the grand poopa and you only got to sit next to Mr Wilson.

Hell, ill toss up a video tomorrow, im jealous!

 

[WeAAsles]

No...and that may become important if this drags out long enough and goes through the process.
That goes for both Delta and United. Doesn't matter if they are union or not.

Nothing is more important in what we do then language and the intentions of that language. If language is changed or modified without explicit written intent then you can no longer win a grievance through “Past Practice”

Once the language is change or modified there no longer is any past practice to fall back on and observe.

Therefore if the Company were to change “Customary Work” to “Core Work” and particularly labeling core work as the loading and unloading of Mainline Aircraft then loading and unloading Mainline Aircraft will be all the Association owns in Fleet Service.

Even if the Company doing something might make no sense to individuals that becomes irrelevant against what the language can let them do.