ALPA/USAPA Topic for week of 1/24 to 1/31

[nostradamus]

No, it references an organization, of sorts, rather than an individual.

When you fly in a cockpit and you feel someone was personnel with you, their is no moderator to cry for help.

 

[Bear96]

You include in your posts a reference to USAPA as U Saps, is this not personal on almost every post you make?

This is funny.

How many USAPA supporters refer to ALPA as "ALPO"? Is that a "personal attack"?

 

[luvn737s]

So, with a few weeks to go until the vote, here's where we stand:

1. USAPA has not divulged any specifics on their finances, only saying that they need $200 per pilot (or else, what?)
2. USAPA has not come out in support of a supermajority requirement to their referrendums which would help include the west
3. USAPA has not come out and stated how they will help those who would be unnecessarily subject to furlough because of the halt in progress that will certainly accompany a USAPA victory. But they encourage returning J4J pilots to file a card (why??)
4. USAPA has pledged to provide the US pilots with a DOH seniority list, which negates the binding arbitration, but fails to acknowledge a fallback position if that is unsuccessful.
5. USAPA has not announced any PHX or LAS roadshows, further alienating a large portion of their would-be constituency. Will this help them in any DFR suits that may follow a USAPA victory?

This is only a sampling of why pilots pondering a vote should set aside emotion and determine what is most compelling for them: real quantifiable gains, or the smug satisfaction that they stuck it to ALPA - now what?

 

[luvn737s]

When you fly in a cockpit and you feel someone was personnel with you, their is no moderator to cry for help.

Run that by me one more time?

 

[nostradamus]

This is funny.

How many USAPA supporters refer to ALPA as "ALPO"? Is that a "personal attack"?

I have said a few myself, but I do not turn around and cry for the moderator when the favor is returned.

 

[Bear96]

I have said a few myself, but I do not turn around and cry for the moderator when the favor is returned.

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Sorry, I don't think that answered my question, but maybe I misunderstood you.

Is referring to ALPA as "ALPO" a personal attack?

 

[nostradamus]

I have said a few myself, but I do not turn around and cry for the moderator when the favor is returned.

luvn referred to my quote below as a personal attack, and promptly threw the red flag.


"I do not know who the "legitimate" lawyers you are referring to, maybe you can mention who they were and let the readers decide if it was sad. The ones who claimed they were lawyers definitely wasted their time and everyone else's."

 

[Phoenix]

Pretty much, in the minds of the East pilots who actually believe what USAPA is peddling.

So the answer is you are in denial... you'll be a splendid lawyer some day.

I'll let you know if the "Nicolau list is on the ballot" when I vote, if the election occurs.

The absence of the Nicolau list on the ballot won't disappoint me. It and its status is irrelevant in making a choice about which CBA a voter trusts to conduct representational duties.

The little memory aid you're fond of that you showed us, I.R.A.C., is a wonderful tool.

 

[nostradamus]

This is funny.

How many USAPA supporters refer to ALPA as "ALPO"? Is that a "personal attack"?

With all due respect counsel, I feel you jumped into the conversation without following one page of previous quotes.

 

[Bear96]

luvn referred to my quote below as a personal attack, and promptly threw the red flag.


"I do not know who the "legitimate" lawyers you are referring to, maybe you can mention who they were and let the readers decide if it was sad. The ones who claimed they were lawyers definitely wasted their time and everyone else's."

Um, OK. Let me try again.

Is referring to ALPA as "ALPO" a personal attack, in your opinion?

Really, it's not a difficult question.

 

[luvn737s]

luvn referred to my quote below as a personal attack, and promptly threw the red flag.


"I do not know who the "legitimate" lawyers you are referring to, maybe you can mention who they were and let the readers decide if it was sad. The ones who claimed they were lawyers definitely wasted their time and everyone else's."

No, that was a misunderstanding. I was stating that I would not mention a specific posters name so as to fuel additional personal attacks. I believe there is mention made of sticking to issues rather than persons.

 

[Bear96]

So the answer is you are in denial...

How so?

Are you seriously arguing that the USAPA election is not largely, if not wholly, about the Nic award?

The little memory aid you're fond of that you showed us, I.R.A.C., is a wonderful tool.

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When did I ever discuss IRAC with you or on this board?

 

[Edward]

This is a warning to EVERYONE who posts in this or any thread for that matter:
Personal attacks are NOT permitted. Debate the subject but do NOT get personal. I have not read every post in this thread but it appears this thing is getting out of hand. Lets get back on topic. Time off awaits if you choose not to heed the warnings.
FYI, also the moderators are not here 24/7 & we can not read & catch every post on this board.

 

[CactusFlyr]

USAPA will prevent the NIC award from seeing the light of day.

Good,

I can't wait to retire without working another day.

 

[nostradamus]

Um, OK. Let me try again.

Is referring to ALPA as "ALPO" a personal attack, in your opinion?

Really, it's not a difficult question.

Why do you ask this question sir?