Allowing Bk Carriers To Destroy The Industry

[LGA Fleet Service]

Now say a prayer before bed that NWA does not announce a fare cut down the road.

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NWAC isnt going to be cutting fares anytime soon,unless they've found a way to convert water into Jet-A.

 

[Bigsky]

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[Busdrvr]

Back to basics, Gents. The problem with UAL is that their only business plan has been to continually and relentlessly slash labor costs. It's a rudderless ship that was once a great clipper with some of the best on it's crew. Most of the crew is still around, however, with the oil man from Texas at the helm try to hold on what's left in your wallet.

[post="254141"][/post]​

Who is the "oil man from Texas"? (or are you once again running your mouth with no concept of what you're talking about)

 

[Busdrvr]

blah, blah, blah

Average lease payment on a UAL 737-300, your DC-9 equivalent is around 125,000 per month. Lease payement on a NWA DC-9-30 our 737-300 equivalent is zero, nada, nil.

Chances are, Bussy, that you have never flown a Douglas aircraft and don't know that the aircraft is way overbuilt. Why get rid of something that works. Yea, you pay little more in gas but a lot less to the lessor. Cheers

[post="254143"][/post]​

Avarage lease payment of UAL's DC-9 Equiv, the 737-200? 0. We parked them anyway. Our pax like headphones and movies. Plus they burn too much gas.

Douglas time? only 1500 hours. I guess your company was so impressed with the Douglas quality, they went out and bought the plastic jet the next time around (A320). My mind keeps going back to the MD-80 prototype that lost it's tail in a "hard landing". Yeah, real tough A "little more" in gas? yeah right.

 

[Busdrvr]

Busdrvr is an idiot. He has a working understanding of business theory and can read a 10K, but his loyalty to UAL has weakened his stance. When asked a hard question, he replies with a smart-ass one liner, otherwise his answers can be heard in any first year business class at any junior college in the country. Busdrvr, admit it, you are a mid-level UAL lacky that couldn't hold the line in flight ops. We are figuring out who you are. Make sure you ask Glenn for a "reach around" next time he has you in his favorite position, you homo.

[post="254184"][/post]​

At least my one-liners have a little humor, VS the bigoted remark you come back with. And no, I never worked in management at any level at UAL and I was a lineholder at one of the most senior bases prior to 911. You have no concept of the level of my education. Suffice it to say, I'm willing to bet it's higher than any of the NWA schmoes on this board. Glad to see all the bigots got turned down at UAL and stayed at NWA.

 

[Busdrvr]

Ual owns NOTHING...get it loser.

WRONG
Owned 747-400's
UAL 20
NWA 4

Owned 777/330's
UAL 37
NWA 15

Owned 767-300's
UAL 17
NWA 0



Ual can't even finance a DC-9.

UAL wouldn't need to finance a 9. They give them out with Happy Meals at some McD locations.

How in the hell did you get past the psych eval?

idiot.
smart-ass
"reach around"
he has you in his favorite position
you homo.
get it loser
grasshopper
bitter, unemployed, indigents with problems functioning in society
blood sucking parasites
At least you know your name.

First UAL doesn't have a psych eval, second, it appears I'm not the one in need of paxil... Did they drop your drug coverage (for you and sky)?

 

[Busdrvr]

Busdrvr seems to support any UA scheme.

Certainly he was on the fast-track to upper management at UA before the esteemed Jake Brace realized they couldn't pay him.

[post="254022"][/post]​

Wrong.
I oppose "economy plus". I'm tired of giving something away thast pax are unwilling to pay for, all at the expense of the employee.
I actually think TED should have been a "multi-fleet" operation. in high density markets (even DEN-ORD) UAL should have been running cattle car 767's for the priceline crowd who cares only about price, with a wingtip A320 flight that has legroom and meals for pax who look for "total value"

At NWA, I admire NWA's tenacity at protecting markets. It may be a result of earlier financial troubles, but if UAL had protected markets the way NWA does, UAL wouldn't be BK.
I applauded NWA's CEO when he came out for user fees

I disagree that the 9's are some great panacea. They aren't cat III and burn gas like crazy. I'd think if they were the key to success, everybody would be doing it. Even SWA is parking old 737-200s in favor of new jets. I think it's a case of trying to turn a weakness into a percieved strength.

 

[magsau]

Wow north by northwest.

You sure seem to have a short memory. How many fare increases has NWA torched in the past. The latest issue of AW&ST told of how NWA has screwed the rest of the carriers in the country for years over fare simplification and changes that would enhance revenue.

Take you disadvantage BS and shove it. You need to deal with your own morons before picking on others.

 

[whlinder]

Wrong.
I oppose "economy plus". I'm tired of giving something away thast pax are unwilling to pay for, all at the expense of the employee.

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PAX aren't willing to pay for economy plus? I thought you only got to sit up there if you are UA Premier or higher (paid for by volume) or on a high fare without status, or if you paid a $50 fee or something at check-in?

Personally I think E+ with a small F cabin is the way to go instead of a monstrous F cabin.

 

[Dizel8]

"My mind keeps going back to the MD-80 prototype that lost it's tail in a "hard landing".

Hey now, as you know, I am a Douglas fan. So tell me, what was the rate of descent on that test?

 

[Dizel8]

Anyway, here is what happened to the MD-80 prototype:

"The aircraft involved in this incident is ship 909. It is the first DC9- Super 80 flight test aircraft. The crash was not intetnional but was a result of flight testing close to limits. The incident occured at Edwards AFB. The aircraft was in minimum crew configuration, pilot, copilot, and flight test engineer. The test was landing performance. Prior to the mid 80s, the FA allowed testing of the air distance portion of the landing field length required by and aircraft. Therefore, aircraft were tested at maximum descent rates so as to minimize the above mention value. In this case, the vertical speed indicator was not properly calibrated. This resulted in the aircraft descending at higher than required rate. The result of which is evident in the video."

 

[North by Northwest]

Wow north by northwest.

You sure seem to have a short memory.  How many fare increases has NWA torched in the past.  The latest issue of AW&ST told of how NWA has screwed the rest of the carriers in the country for years over fare simplification and changes that would enhance revenue.

Take you disadvantage BS and shove it.  You need to deal with your own morons before picking on others.

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Why don't you post it...it be good reading. Or is it just you way of putting out more Ual BS.

 

[North by Northwest]

Hey Bussboy, you try to appear bright. Why such ignorance with bankruptcy. Even a High Schooler would know that a BANKRUPT company owns NOTHING grasshopper. Ual doesn't even own the roof over it's head. So, yes we own 2/3 (368 out of 437) of our fleet. It's a good thing. Our fleet planning (Kick-A$$ DC-9s!)allowed us to pay our bills like a responsilble corporation. It also allowed us to remain solvent. We felt it prudent and wise (this is where experience comes in) not immitate the "Joneses" and fly around in shiny new jets that you CAN'T AFFORD. Companies go bankrupt doing that...ya know. Busdrv: "I think it's a case of trying to turn a weakness into a percieved strength." Had Ual done someting simular they would have faced BILLIONS in useless lease payments, just to say "we fly new planes that we really can't afford" Happy flying....keep an eye out for the REPO MAN! Ual 10K : "We have negotiated with lessors and lenders to restructure existing financings to reduce aircraft ownership costs to better reflect current market rates, and we have reached agreements in principle with respect to a substantial majority of our financed aircraft. However, in light of the final decision received from the Air Transportation Stabilization Board ("ATSB") regarding our loan application and the need for further cost reductions, we are re-examining these agreements and believe it likely that we will need to renegotiate one or more of them. Although we expect to be successful with respect to any such efforts, to the extent we are unable to restructure any financings we believe are unaffordable under the modified business plan, we may face the possibility that one or more financiers may seek to repossess their aircraft. Likewise, there is no assurance that those agreements in principle which are not restructured will be successfully converted to final contracts. To the extent we are unable to finalize those agreements there can be no assurance that we will be able to reach new agreements at comparable economics or that financiers will not repossess aircraft. The repossession of a significant number of aircraft could result in a material adverse affect on our financial and operational performance."

 

[Bigsky]

QUOTE(Bigsky @ Mar 10 2005, 10:58 AM)
Busdrvr is an idiot. He has a working understanding of business theory and can read a 10K, but his loyalty to UAL has weakened his stance. When asked a hard question, he replies with a smart-ass one liner, otherwise his answers can be heard in any first year business class at any junior college in the country. Busdrvr, admit it, you are a mid-level UAL lacky that couldn't hold the line in flight ops. We are figuring out who you are. Make sure you ask Glenn for a "reach around" next time he has you in his favorite position, you homo.

OOOPS I didn't write the above. Was using a computer in a hotel business center and forgot to logoff. My bust. Sorry Bus. Cheers bigsky

 

[mweiss]

Even a High Schooler would know that a BANKRUPT company owns NOTHING grasshopper.

This is why high schoolers don't get to run companies. They think things like that, and yet they are wrong.