Airline Workers Are Left at Gate, Mourning a Perk

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nytimes 3/21/06

As available seats have declined, workers have paid more attention to how the line forms to fill them. American and Southwest employees board on a first-come-first-served basis. Delta and United employees board by seniority. Each method produces resentment.

US Airways, seniority-based, merged last year with America West Airlines, which was first come first served. The combined company, known as US Airways, has gone through an internal debate on which approach to adopt. The e-mail address for workers' comments suggests the scraps they are fighting over: [email protected].

Emotions are running high, with more than 7,500 e-mail messages so far. "Picture me at my age (old) with 32 years of dedicated service," a seniority advocate wrote, "running down the concourse trying to beat that new hire with barely six months on the payroll. Well, I guess he won, beating me and my wife (who just had her left hip replaced)."

An advocate of the first-come-first-served approach responded: "Many times over the years I have been sitting in the boarding area 60-90 minutes before departure, only to be bumped by a 'senior' employee with his wife and four children, who showed up 15 minutes before departure."

W. Douglas Parker, chief executive of US Airways, is in no hurry to make a decision. He is asking employees to board former US Airways flights by seniority and former America West flights first come first served — to experience the difference — and is hoping that everyone calms down by the end of the year.

"We're taking it very seriously," he said. Flight benefits "loom large in our ability to attract and retain employees."
 
It is no longer a perk worth any reduction in pay. Get rid of it. Instead award employees frequent flyer miles. Also, create a travel department and make executives pay for travel like other businesses, except in unusual circumstances.
 
It is no longer a perk worth any reduction in pay. Get rid of it. Instead award employees frequent flyer miles. Also, create a travel department and make executives pay for travel like other businesses, except in unusual circumstances.

Just as an fyi...senior level execs have space positive/first class travel privileges including their families anytime...including off time and vacations.
 
Good ol' news media! This article is like one that appeared in the AZ Republic sometime last year, and it makes airline employees sound like whiners that we can't use our flight benefits as easily.

I certainly hope that whichever boarding priority is decided upon, that the "losers" won't use it as another excuse to be negative about the company and whine about it to the media.
 
Good ol' news media! This article is like one that appeared in the AZ Republic sometime last year, and it makes airline employees sound like whiners that we can't use our flight benefits as easily.

I certainly hope that whichever boarding priority is decided upon, that the "losers" won't use it as another excuse to be negative about the company and whine about it to the media.

Hey, for employees that actually use the benefit and are successful at getting on flights, it certainly adds a large sum to the overall annual income.

In 9 years of airline employment, I can testify that the value of my NRSA flying has added at least $5K to 8K to my annual income based on what I would have had to pay to fly where I have been. It's a real benefit to those who use it to their advantage, and might just be the determining factor on remaining an employee. For those that don't use the benefit, you are wasting your time working for an airline.

Load factors are out of hand right now while the airline industry "right sizes" their schedules to meet rising fuel costs. This is only temporary, and capacity will be added back to the system as revenues increase. Loads will be back in the mid to upper 70's by September, making the flight benefit useful again.
 
Hey, for employees that actually use the benefit and are successful at getting on flights, it certainly adds a large sum to the overall annual income.

In 9 years of airline employment, I can testify that the value of my NRSA flying has added at least $5K to 8K to my annual income based on what I would have had to pay to fly where I have been. It's a real benefit to those who use it to their advantage, and might just be the determining factor on remaining an employee. For those that don't use the benefit, you are wasting your time working for an airline.

Load factors are out of hand right now while the airline industry "right sizes" their schedules to meet rising fuel costs. This is only temporary, and capacity will be added back to the system as revenues increase. Loads will be back in the mid to upper 70's by September, making the flight benefit useful again.

I've only been bumped from one flight, and made it home within 4 hours of my planned time.
 
Row...you obviously have not moved your family to a crew base, only to have the company close it; as a result, you must now commute 2 or 3 times a week to work on the airline. I guess us poor little employees could live in motor homes.
 
I've only been bumped from one flight, and made it home within 4 hours of my planned time.

That means you likely only flew non-rev once.

Try travelling non-rev with a family. The last vacation we took to Florida from NY we drove.

"flight begginfits" is what they really are.


If you guys choose to go with the TWU remember that the first come firt served only applies to workers. At AA TWU International officials fly with a higher priority, so no matter what, they go ahead of members. A while back it was all over the web how Jim Little, now the head of the TWU, flew his family to Hawaii on such a pass.
 
Well I'll get right to the point. Being able to travel (via working and pass riding)is the only reason I'm still here. I am addicted to travel. The three years I was on vol furlogh working a job in a gray cube in non-descript office building drove me insane.

I have been bumped plenty of times, but I find if you're creative and learn your options, you can pretty much get anywhere. It's my "Planes, trains and automobiles" mantra. As an example, when I commuted to work in PHL, I learned quickly that I can fly to BWI or EWR and take Amtrak (both have airport train stations) for $28 to 30th St Station in PHL. Hop on the SEPTA to the airport, I'm at work.
 
It is no longer a perk worth any reduction in pay. Get rid of it. Instead award employees frequent flyer miles. Also, create a travel department and make executives pay for travel like other businesses, except in unusual circumstances.

You must not be a commuting airline employee. I agree with the executives paying but hey I commute with these benefits. The crappy little part of US Group I work for opens and closes bases every other year. I will not move my family around for an express crew leasing company. (PSA)

If I get recalled I still won't move for U.

RF
 
sorry all, but as far as I am concerned commuters do not get any more respect than a non-rever.................

therefore, first come first served... us west is NOT the only airline that uses first come first served.........

I have plenty of seniority to help me out if they choose the seniority based route for boarding, but I am sorry, first checked in ... first boarded.... I do not think that my seniority should pull me ahead of someone who is proactive in getting to the gate, or logging in online as soon as they can ...

I am America West, and for all my time there have been first come first served.. I know no other way..

So, I apologize to all that I may offend, but you all do have your seniority for bidding days off, vacations and such... why should you get it all?????
 
So, I apologize to all that I may offend, but you all do have your seniority for bidding days off, vacations and such... why should you get it all?????

Your answer lies here...

I am America West, and for all my time there have been first come first served.. I know no other way..

It is all they ever had at US.

I have plenty of seniority to help me out if they choose the seniority based route for boarding, but I am sorry, first checked in ... first boarded.... I do not think that my seniority should pull me ahead of someone who is proactive in getting to the gate, or logging in online as soon as they can ...

There are injustices in both, so I guess we have to do what we have been doing our whole lives...deal with it.

I personally prefer seniority, because I think that is the fairer way.
 
I can testify that the value of my NRSA flying has added at least $5K to 8K to my annual income based on what I would have had to pay to fly where I have been.

Be careful who you brag to about the value of your bennies. Congress is always trying to find new things to tax. They've tried it before.
 
nytimes 3/21/06
Emotions are running high, with more than 7,500 e-mail messages so far. "Picture me at my age (old) with 32 years of dedicated service," a seniority advocate wrote, "running down the concourse trying to beat that new hire with barely six months on the payroll. Well, I guess he won, beating me and my wife (who just had her left hip replaced)."


????? The implication here is that first-come-first-served means whoever gets to the gate podium first. Not true.

At AA (I don't know about UAL), non-rev priority within a given travel classification is first-come-first-served by check-in time. You can check-in from home by computer up to 4 hours prior to scheduled departure time.

Travel classification for non-rev is D2 for most employee leisure travel. You get 4 one-way D1s per year which is a little higher. A through non-rev passenger--say, boarded at DEN for MCO via DFW--will have a D2T classification for the DFW-MCO segment. D2T is higher than D2, but below D1.

If you don't make it on the flight--those pesky revenue passengers get a higher priority :lol: --AND you physically presented yourself at the podium, you roll over to the next flight at the top of the list for your classification. (The requirement to physically present at the podium is to prevent people from listing and checking in for the 0600 flight when the flight they intend to catch is the 1000. If you haven't been seen by the gate agent, you are removed from the standby list as a no-show, and you don't rollover to the next flight.)
 

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