Airline union to study options

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Airline union to study options


By McClatchy News Service
5/12/2007


The group that represents American Airlines mechanics might consider variable pay, an official says.


PHOENIX -- Labor unrest is likely to be a major issue for the airline industry over the next few years, industry insiders say, as unions aggressively seek to recoup wages and benefits lost during bankruptcies and restructurings.

One exception could be the Transport Workers Union at Fort Worth, Texas-based American Airlines. The leaders of the union are continuing to work with the company on a host of projects to bring in outside maintenance work, increase productivity and save jobs.

While critical of executives on some issues, such as management's compensation, leaders with the union, which represents mechanics and ground workers, say they're proud of their partnership with airline management.

Transport Workers Union Local 514 represents 6,000 aircraft mechanics and related work groups at American Airlines' Maintenance & Engineering Center at Tulsa International Airport. The M&E Center is American's largest maintenance base, and it is the largest maintenance facility in the world.

"We chose to do something about having a civilized relationship," said John Conley, international representative for the TWU who oversees the union's chapters for American employees. "I'm proud of the work we've done."

Speaking on a panel at a recent aviation conference in Phoenix, Conley said union leaders are exploring several strategies for contract talks, which are scheduled to begin this year.

"We've been exploring options, and that does include components we've never considered before," he said, such as some form of variable pay as well as traditional fixed wages.

"We're broaching new territory for us."

He stressed, however, that the union's research is still in the early stages, and no decisions have been made on how labor leaders will approach the new contract.

American pilots, in contrast, have taken an aggressive stance with the company. Leaders with the Allied Pilots Association, who opened contract negotiations last year, have requested an immediate 30 percent pay raise, annual 5 percent increases during the contract term, and a one-time bonus that could cost the company as much as $400 million. Talks aren't yet scheduled for flight attendants.

Jeff Brundage, American's senior vice president of human resources, said it is vital for the industry to tie the compensation of rank-and-file workers to the company's overall success.

He said the airline should have created a profit-sharing plan in 2003 that paid out as soon as the company reported an annual profit. Instead, the plan only rewards workers if American earns more than $500 million.

That means last year, workers didn't receive anything extra even though the company was profitable, because earnings totaled $231 million.

Executives and top managers, meanwhile, shared about $160 million in stock bonuses under a separate plan, which angered employees and sparked protests.

"We probably should have done first-dollar profit sharing," Brundage said.

He added that changes to airline labor contracts, where negotiations are closely governed by federal regulations, won't be easy. "It's going to require a complete reshaping of the one-size-fits-all mentality," he said.

Richard Michalski, general vice president of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, praised American for staying out of bankruptcy after employees agreed to concessions in 2003.

"American is unique. You have an airline that entered into a pact with its employees and honored that pact," he said. "Most airlines don't do that."

While most other carriers have been increasingly outsourcing maintenance work, American has increased its maintenance capabilities and is doing additional work for other airlines.

Conley noted that the airline recently acquired the old Delta Air Lines hangar at Dallas/Fort Worth Airport and might begin doing outside work there. And American has been doing additional work at its bases in Tulsa, Fort Worth and Kansas City.

"We're looking at everything," he said. "We don't want to miss any opportunities that might be out there."
 
Variable pay? Smells like the 'Junior Mechanic' and 'Junior Fleet Service' classifications are making a comeback in all but name.

What does Conley know, toiling away in the International offices like he does? Off weekends and holidays, hell I'll bet he's probably gotten a raise or three the past five years.
 
Variable pay? Smells like the 'Junior Mechanic' and 'Junior Fleet Service' classifications are making a comeback in all but name.

What does Conley know, toiling away in the International offices like he does? Off weekends and holidays, hell I'll bet he's probably gotten a raise or three the past five years.


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LGA,

As in most cases, I believe your "DEAD ON" correct about this potential "new InovAAtion" !!

NH/BB's
 
Variable pay? Smells like the 'Junior Mechanic' and 'Junior Fleet Service' classifications are making a comeback in all but name.

What does Conley know, toiling away in the International offices like he does? Off weekends and holidays, hell I'll bet he's probably gotten a raise or three the past five years.
I don't think that "junior fleet service" will be coming back. It didn't work before. In MIA, they had to raise the starting amount above the contractual amount just to get people to apply. When I was in DFW, they had to do the same thing. Probably had to do this in most of our other cities as well.
 
Funny...I read it as NY based people getting $x while TUL people get .8$X. It seems realistic to have to go that route. If unions keep coming to the door with everybody is equal options, they're going to kill themselves off. Heck, why not become really sophisticated and pay overhaul mechanics less? Or more? To me, the guy working the line at JFK in the middle of the winter with the cold wind blowing off Jamaica bay all day long is probably expending more energy than the guy in the hangar who changes 767 engines all day every day in the climate controlled environment and both of those guys are needed there where it is twice as costly to live...
 
"One exception could be the Transport Workers Union at Fort Worth, Texas-based American Airlines. The leaders of the union are continuing to work with the company on a host of projects to bring in outside maintenance work, increase productivity and save jobs."

The best compAAny union money can buy. The twu still has thousands on the street, the worst contract in history of A/C Maintenance, and manAAgement pocketing most of the "Pull it Together...To Come Together" twu profits. However, the bootlicking continues.....sickening.

What are the twu International compAAny boyz waiting for??? Another card drive???

BTW, to all the twu believers @ bootlickers. Let's have a vote this next twu/aa screwing, instead of have the compAAny stop it for you. I know, the fear of the twu losing power is hard for the twu believers.
 
Funny...I read it as NY based people getting $x while TUL people get .8$X. It seems realistic to have to go that route. If unions keep coming to the door with everybody is equal options, they're going to kill themselves off. Heck, why not become really sophisticated and pay overhaul mechanics less? Or more? To me, the guy working the line at JFK in the middle of the winter with the cold wind blowing off Jamaica bay all day long is probably expending more energy than the guy in the hangar who changes 767 engines all day every day in the climate controlled environment and both of those guys are needed there where it is twice as costly to live...
Holy Sh*t, we have climate controlled hangars? Coulda fooled me, I guess you could say we have climate control, yea we open and close the hangar doors and hope there is some breeze blowing, while I'll give you a lot of the shops have climate control and the "Ever popular White House" has it, sorry to burst your bubble but those of us in the hangars don't, just like all the other line stations.
 
Funny...I read it as NY based people getting $x while TUL people get .8$X.
Actually the DFW president was talking about this varaible pay a couple weeks ago and was referring it to flat rate pay. Charging the company a certain fee for certain work.
 
Funny...I read it as NY based people getting $x while TUL people get .8$X. It seems realistic to have to go that route. If unions keep coming to the door with everybody is equal options, they're going to kill themselves off.

The quotes in the original post came from the PHX Aviation Symposium labor panel. Plane Business covered this as well, and in last night's issue, Conley is quoted as saying the TWU is not only considering variable compensation, but also considering regional pay differentials, a concept that most people on this forum seem to agree on.


Variable compensation and stock options are things the unions need to consider, and it doesn't mean re-creating B scale positions like the JFSC and JMech. I don't see the company agreeing to pay raises without a portion of that being pegged to the company's profitability, and that's fair in my book.

Actually the DFW president was talking about this varaible pay a couple weeks ago and was referring it to flat rate pay. Charging the company a certain fee for certain work.

Piece work?... That would be interesting, especially if it weren't tied to headcount. Engine change with 4 AMT's = X/4. Engine change with 6 AMT's = X/6 . That would definitely offer the members some payback for productivity, although it would also encourage keeping recalls to a bare minimum.
 
Piece work?... That would be interesting, especially if it weren't tied to headcount. Engine change with 4 AMT's = X/4. Engine change with 6 AMT's = X/6 . That would definitely offer the members some payback for productivity, although it would also encourage keeping recalls to a bare minimum.

That would be great. Let's encourage the elimination of those needless redundant steps in an engine r/r...or other task. :rolleyes:

The faster it's done, with less people, the better. :up:

Why not give the task to the lowest bidder? I can correct that write-up in 18 minutes...No, I can fix it 10 minutes...

I would really like to hear what the twu's definition of "variable pay" is.
 
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Piece work?... That would be interesting, especially if it weren't tied to headcount. Engine change with 4 AMT's = X/4. Engine change with 6 AMT's = X/6 . That would definitely offer the members some payback for productivity, although it would also encourage keeping recalls to a bare minimum.
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I’m all for Piece work.

I think we should get paid for 100% productivity. When we get sent out to an aircraft at the beginning of the shift for acars paper, we should hold boarding. Once boarding is held it’s time for 100% productivity. We all know it would take 8 hours to fix all the items one could find in the cabin. Each item would have a time on it allotted to fix. If you fix it faster then the time allotted, its money in your pocket.

Just think the company would never be able to complain about our productivity and the condition of their aircraft. I think the company may even give us a pay raise on top of Piece Work pay outs.
 
We already know what it is: B-scale :down: ,Junior mechanic :down: ,part-time mechanic :down: ,SRP-OSM :down: .

Variable pay = industry "leading" LOW PAY :down:

You forgot Piece work.

It's time we go to work. 100% productivity = zero airplanes flying.
 
Transport Workers Union Local 514 represents 6,000 aircraft mechanics and related work groups at American Airlines' Maintenance & Engineering Center at Tulsa International Airport. The M&E Center is American's largest maintenance base, and it is the largest maintenance facility in the world.




Biggest in the galaxy anyway!
 

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