Aircraft maint issues

[bigjets]

For years, decades, the Members have voted for the tough guys that promise the world. When they can't get it, it becomes the fault of others. The fingers are pointed towards the Base guys, the Fleet guys, the NMB, the Mediators, the Company, whoever the CEO is, ect.

The voters haven't realized their frustrations come from misaligned expectations, not other workgroups.

Wow, thought changing statement.

 

[NYer]

I don't know NYer.

Not long ago I was frequently attacked and called "antiUNION" by the majority of this forum, and though that does still happen with some frequency (as recently as last week), many of the attitudes and perceptions seem to have evolved over time. Many no longer see me as the enemy but as someone who is trying to make a contribution by pointing out the mechanics of manipulation tactics employed by the UNION. Even if they don't agree with me at times it is nice to see that people are being a bit more open and willing to entertain other points of view.

That in itself gives me hope that people will see those "misaligned expectations" for what they really are, which of course is polarization. I chose that word (polarization) with great care. I mean to attribute all 3 definitions of the social sciences to the UNION.

• Polarization (economics), an economic process where middle-class jobs disappear more than those at the bottom and the top (headcount over securing high pay and low cost benefits)
• Polarization (psychology), the process whereby a social or political group is divided into opposing sub-groups (anybody in the TWU knows how the workforce has been divided into opposing sub-groups)
• Political polarization, the process by which the public opinion divides and goes to the extremes (instead of representing the workers and enforcing the contract the UNION is more interested in funding the Democratic Party and encouraging member voting habits)

I am elated to see that over the years this forum has changed from polarization to civility (for the most part). It is my hope that this is a glimpse into the future open mindedness (as opposed to socially engineered and conditioned) and civility of the membership.

In fact I think more and more do realize it but change is slow.

I thank any and all who have taken the time to reflect on what I had to say even if they did not agree with me. I also would like to thank any and all who have offered opposition in a civil manner.

Have a good weekend.

Maybe in this forum there is change, but it could the those that have a different view just leave to find other like minded folks to continue and regurgitate their own misguided views.

I hope what your experience has been turns out to be the reality but it seems folks in this industry are so very slow to adjust their sails.

 

[swamt]

Wow Swampy we are famous. We tell them to get new representation. Two SWA mechanics , I don't remember telling to do something stupid. To get an injunction. I feel sorry for these guys.

Not at all driver. There is nothing we said that forced one single AA'er to pull some kind of a job action at AA. They are reaching big time when they try to include us. And by the way, most all of my comments about what happened at SWA were to correct anyone saying there was a job action. There was no job action at SWA. I tried to explain that. You tried, and even others tried to explain. No one listened but the judge who never was able to give an order or rule on a TRO for us, why, "BECAUSE THEY WERE LEGIT WRITE UPS" for safety of flight issues. And if anyone would choose to try and go after a mechanic for doing that, (which is his job) and the person going after him will get it reversed on them by the courts.
Weezals quotes as well as some others on here are very questionable indeed.

 

[swamt]

I don't know NYer.

Not long ago I was frequently attacked and called "antiUNION" by the majority of this forum, and though that does still happen with some frequency (as recently as last week), many of the attitudes and perceptions seem to have evolved over time. Many no longer see me as the enemy but as someone who is trying to make a contribution by pointing out the mechanics of manipulation tactics employed by the UNION. Even if they don't agree with me at times it is nice to see that people are being a bit more open and willing to entertain other points of view.

That in itself gives me hope that people will see those "misaligned expectations" for what they really are, which of course is polarization. I chose that word (polarization) with great care. I mean to attribute all 3 definitions of the social sciences to the UNION.
Here, here, and well said sir. And I might have been one of those in the beginning that may have thought you might have been, not so much anti union, but more of a leaner towards the company's side. If I did, I apologize now for what I might have come off a bit firm in the past. And BTW thx for being the bigger man of all of us and explaining...

• Polarization (economics), an economic process where middle-class jobs disappear more than those at the bottom and the top (headcount over securing high pay and low cost benefits)
• Polarization (psychology), the process whereby a social or political group is divided into opposing sub-groups (anybody in the TWU knows how the workforce has been divided into opposing sub-groups)
• Political polarization, the process by which the public opinion divides and goes to the extremes (instead of representing the workers and enforcing the contract the UNION is more interested in funding the Democratic Party and encouraging member voting habits)

I am elated to see that over the years this forum has changed from polarization to civility (for the most part). It is my hope that this is a glimpse into the future open mindedness (as opposed to socially engineered and conditioned) and civility of the membership.

In fact I think more and more do realize it but change is slow.

I thank any and all who have taken the time to reflect on what I had to say even if they did not agree with me. I also would like to thank any and all who have offered opposition in a civil manner.

Have a good weekend.

 

[B737 driver]

Not at all driver. There is nothing we said that forced one single AA'er to pull some kind of a job action at AA. They are reaching big time when they try to include us. And by the way, most all of my comments about what happened at SWA were to correct anyone saying there was a job action. There was no job action at SWA. I tried to explain that. You tried, and even others tried to explain. No one listened but the judge who never was able to give an order or rule on a TRO for us, why, "BECAUSE THEY WERE LEGIT WRITE UPS" for safety of flight issues. And if anyone would choose to try and go after a mechanic for doing that, (which is his job) and the person going after him will get it reversed on them by the courts.
Weezals quotes as well as some others on here are very questionable indeed.

Sounds like Weazz wanted the mechanics to get in trouble , so they can be locked into a crap deal, and then blame the mechanics for voting for it.

 

[swamt]

lalilulelo are you the new Weasel......?

Really? Pls don't go there. He is finally gone. Don't even bring him up.

 

[swamt]

Sorry, my post didn't post for some reason.
Well said sir. I may have been one of the ones that, not so much thought of you as anti union, but more like just more on the company's side of things. So, thx for being the bigger man and sounding off first. Sorry if I miss read you in the past.

 

[swamt]

Sounds like Weazz wanted the mechanics to get in trouble , so they can be locked into a crap deal, and then blame the mechanics for voting for it.

That's a good possibility. He really has held a grudge towards the mechanics group for wanting to get out of the industrial union(s) mainly TWU, and now the IAM, so I would not put it past him if it were true.

 

[NYer]

Really? Pls don't go there. He is finally gone. Don't even bring him up.

Don't kid yourself, he's not gone.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

lalilulelo are you the new Weasel......?

You wound me sir.

I saw WeAAsles as an agent of manipulation .

I hope that is not how you see me.

I think anyone who reads my posts knows I say what I believe even if it is unpopular.

I will let my post history speak for itself.

 

[swamt]

Don't kid yourself, he's not gone.

Ok, hes not gone, but he is absent for some time and hopefully it remains that way. He has too much BS information and like others have said misinformation and manipulation. That is why no one believes anything he says. Hes basically just a puppet **** stir stick.

 

[conehead777]

Ok, hes not gone, but he is absent for some time and hopefully it remains that way. He has too much BS information and like others have said misinformation and manipulation. That is why no one believes anything he says. Hes basically just a puppet **** stir stick.

That’s the way it’s been in the twu in my 34 years nothing but lies and misinformation. I knew that even though the letter said we would vote on association we would not get to. Just like there lies about if you change union the contract will be voided out. Etc etc I could go on. Just look at how they thru us under the buss . And said to take action against the individual. I saw Samuelson say there would be a blood bath. And GP its going to be a long summer. So weass is just spewing the twu lies and misinformation. He has no class our tact. But neither do most of our leaders. At least your union filed a counter suit and in the media stood by there members. Where ours blame us but they always blame us members. And the only say we get is voting in local leaders we have no say who is in the international that is controlled by local 100 bus drivers in New York. There are several elected twu on Facebook they use the same playbook weass dose. And if you disagree with them they like to throw out insults..

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I hated WeAAsles before it was cool.

In all seriousness I am glad to see the forum vocalize that they see him for what he really is.

 

[NYer]

I hated WeAAsles before it was cool.

In all seriousness I am glad to see the forum vocalize that they see him for what he really is.

He's still around.

 

[NYer]

Ok, hes not gone, but he is absent for some time and hopefully it remains that way. He has too much BS information and like others have said misinformation and manipulation. That is why no one believes anything he says. Hes basically just a puppet **** stir stick.

He supports certain people because they talk to him and he can call their cellphones. They make him feel special so he carries their torch.

That's become harder because his faith in some of these people must have been shaking because they've been so wrong. Epically wrong.

Once the tide turns and he can get the upper hand, he'll be back.