Aircraft maint issues
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Does it seem to anyone else that our NC have put themselves into a corner? Meaning the companies offer is the most expensive on the whole, but our individual gains are diluted by the fact that we have thousands more mechanics then our competitors.
What is more important? More mechs working at AA or each mechanic being compensated more then our colleges at other airlines. It’s easy to say we should get both, but i think from a business stand point that won’t happen. I personally say pay is more important because we have sacrificed pay for jobs and have lost both. I’m just glad I’m not on NC and have to make that decision.
With Parker being compensated purely on the stock price, it will be hard to say he’s stealing from the employees.
The fact of the matter is, we have turned away every attempt by AA to give us a raise because of rhetoric like they can give us everything back and more, look at this chart I just thought of with my degree from AMT U.
What is more important? More mechs working at AA or each mechanic being compensated more then our colleges at other airlines. It’s easy to say we should get both, but i think from a business stand point that won’t happen. I personally say pay is more important because we have sacrificed pay for jobs and have lost both. I’m just glad I’m not on NC and have to make that decision.
With Parker being compensated purely on the stock price, it will be hard to say he’s stealing from the employees.
The fact of the matter is, we have turned away every attempt by AA to give us a raise because of rhetoric like they can give us everything back and more, look at this chart I just thought of with my degree from AMT U.
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I agree since our contract is being negotiated based on labor cost and the two matching airlines Delta and
United have been used by Parker and co. for matching per hour compensation. We as a union could take a stance and
attempt to get more mechanics to generate dues, however if you just listen the mechanics are not in favor of that.
The unionism of today is not about the items that it got the workers in the past. it is not 1930's or 40's. As for Executive compensation
that is going to happen. We finally received a comparable dollar per hour with DL and UA not the struggle is thew benefits.
I believe given the opportunity the company would destory the Fleet Service group. If the union pushes to hard to match the
mechanic or become Industsry Leading over at DL or UA. the union negotiators will have to get the money somewhere.
Over the last couple of years there has been an agressive Fleet Service hiring vs a replacement for the Mechanics
Then there is the early out and the 3500 maxium workers at the bases that shrinks with that early out.
I think I rambled but my point is that the company is only going to allow a certain amount of headcount.and to
get matching at the other airlines Parker wants Outsourcing too.
United have been used by Parker and co. for matching per hour compensation. We as a union could take a stance and
attempt to get more mechanics to generate dues, however if you just listen the mechanics are not in favor of that.
The unionism of today is not about the items that it got the workers in the past. it is not 1930's or 40's. As for Executive compensation
that is going to happen. We finally received a comparable dollar per hour with DL and UA not the struggle is thew benefits.
I believe given the opportunity the company would destory the Fleet Service group. If the union pushes to hard to match the
mechanic or become Industsry Leading over at DL or UA. the union negotiators will have to get the money somewhere.
Over the last couple of years there has been an agressive Fleet Service hiring vs a replacement for the Mechanics
Then there is the early out and the 3500 maxium workers at the bases that shrinks with that early out.
I think I rambled but my point is that the company is only going to allow a certain amount of headcount.and to
get matching at the other airlines Parker wants Outsourcing too.
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So big jets in reality, and not break room bantering, what will people really accept, and vote and move on?
This is just opinion, but what Seymour said in video would probably pass. We have a lot of guys who want a buy out and don’t care what they leave behind, like what the 2012 guys did. I hope the NC can keep buyouts out of the contract. Then there are guys who just want a decent contract, but of course there will be guys who won’t be happy with anything short of restore and more full retro to 2001, let’s not forget the moronic I vote no for every contract group.
My OPINION, the only thing the union and company can do to save face on both sides is to get industry leading pay, vc, HW, etc and be just a few percentage points better on scope. With the amount of guys leaving from buyout and attrition, that should put the headcount at where the company wants it. Why they didn’t do that during BK is a mistory to all.
I don’t think AA cares about the quality of the work from TUL, because the quality out of AFW and MCI was second to none, and the planes are still flying everyday safely with OH done by third party maint at what I’m guessing at a cheaper rate.
I’m sure someone will make a convincing argument from their basement that it’s actually cheaper to do the work in house, but I’m betting the executives that actually deal with the real numbers and the day to day grind of running the airline have a better grip on the numbers then members of the AMT think tank at the loud end of the break room.
Our NC is in an unenviable position, our association formed under an inauspicious beginning which nobody wanted, to dealing with a bitter union workforce. Then to losing their muscle by taking the pay raise a year ago (with a concession), to mechs expecting the moon from a company making billions in profit.
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Our situation is not as bad as yours by any means.We have guys like you described in our ranks. I remember AMFA recommend a no vote when they allowed the out sourcing to San Salvador on the heavy checks. The company tried to buy our scope, we kept driving the price up till they said forget it. Probably because of ETOPS language is needed in reality. I know people that will claim they voted no, and it passes by 80%. I don't think our mechanics are any different than other mechanics. If it passes AMFA can still say they got a raise and no scope 2 loss.
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If the 3500 Maintenance Base originating headcount is part of the contract the Early Out will be also.
Industry Leading Pay for who? The Mechanics or everyone.? This is part of the problem and the company is not stupid.
I will state that I am in year 34 and this is the first time that, at least on the surface that I have seen the Ramp or Fleet Service actually show
some kind of unionism for the Mechanic and Related and I hope it is not the IAM alone. ( PHL )
Industry Leading Pay for who? The Mechanics or everyone.? This is part of the problem and the company is not stupid.
I will state that I am in year 34 and this is the first time that, at least on the surface that I have seen the Ramp or Fleet Service actually show
some kind of unionism for the Mechanic and Related and I hope it is not the IAM alone. ( PHL )
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You do know those protests in NYC, ORD, SFO and DFW (Not MIA) were loaded up with FSC who knew they were there protesting against mostly outsourced Aircraft Maintenance.
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Were they not IAM as I said because if they are TWU they never say so. If they are TWU or both I heard differently and I am mostly hearing from Fleet Service and a few Mechanics.
I also would not be surprised if the entire Line, all groups didn't give TULE a lesson.. While there are different Mechanics in Local 514 now the core principles of the past drove a massive division between the Line and TULE. I can sense that you are still angry with my little joke. which I have seen you take a jab or two on here. Have a good day.
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Buck you have to look at the Stations that are having an activity.
PHL would absolutely be IAM as it’s a LUS IAM Hub. MIA is a LAA Hub so those were TWU Mechanics.
The outside Terminal, Times Square and Wrigley Field protests were all TWU.
If CLT ever engages in any activity that would be an IAM activity.
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Because Doug says the offer is the most expensive in the industry makes it fact? I say BS.
I agree somewhat with most of your comment but I believe Doug wants his cake AND ours. We get a small amount above the DL/UA (but DL will probably go above us the day after ratification)pretty much par on everything else and he gets the head reduction probably pretty quickly. Just wish someone would call him out on that in a Town Hall.
They are playing us AGAIN!
Well I believe that Doug said he would be willing to sign UAL or DAL contract. That tells me that our contract will be much more.
So if you think Doug is BSing, that would mean our union is not fulfilling their duty to us.
I agree, there is no way this is the most expensive contract in the industry - for a number of reasons. First of all, the slow walking of negotiations going on three years now, has more than saved the company the value for any gains we are bargaining for. Maybe, if Doug made our pay and benefits retroactive for two years - he may have a leg to stand on. The recent raise we got fell short by not bringing the LAA AMTs at the very least, equal to their LUS AMT counterparts on: Holidays, Holiday pay, Sick time accrual, sick time pay, and whatever else we got chumped on. The universal $3K signing bonus is an insult to those of us who endured the last 15 years of working under a BK contract conditions.
