Aircraft maint issues

[Real tired]

What I see in the amt think tank is, send them back into negotiations until we get everything we think we are entitled to. Just like 2010!!!!!

We lost everything and gained nothing. Just in line premium alone we have EACH lost out on over $40k !!!!

Pilots didn’t get USair medical but we will?

It kills me listening to guys saying by the book (what AA requires us to do)so we can have power like the pilots.

Pilots are professionals all the time and by the book all the time, when they’re upset they don’t work OT. Mention that to some AMT, they look at you like you just kicked a puppy. Just heard a union guy saying he doesn’t want transfers coming because it will ruin his 6 days. Union brothers taking care of union brothers.

The real question is, what are we asking for?

Hold on !! Is there something going on here ??

Let me put down this overtime list. Now.....
Is it something that affects me now, instead of just "you people"? The union says everything is just going great.

Now I'm mad !! And I'll tell you, after IAM Red Shirt Day, and these next few shifts of overtime, I'm going to do something, because I'm a "Fighting Machinist" and I'll "Strike if Provoked".

 

[swamt]

Dippy Dave, this is a MAINTENANCE thread, and SWAMT is invited to comment here as much as he wants on AMT issues because he is a fellow AMT.

If you don't like that, then drag your deranged ass back over on your RAMPER thread that you live on day and night and stay there. Your opinions on AMT issues mean nothing.

BTW, we at AA have lived under a 15 year bankruptcy contract, and that's a damn lot longer than a 5 year pay freeze that SWA has imposed on the AMTs.

Take a hike.

Hack, I know you guys already know, but, our co. did the exact same thing with the "go around" on the NC trying to nego with the membership. It actually worked the exact opposite for the co. in our case. The membership drilled them at their road shows so hard that they came back to the table to nego better and make movement finally. Some of the road shows the company did got so heated the company had to leave, and some the membership walked out on them. What they find out at their roadshows was the membership was fully supporting our NC and was drilling them on all the exact same issues the NC was drilling them on at the table. By fully supporting our NC got the co. back to the table and actually make movement and they stopped with the attempt to nego a contract with the membership. Our NC is nego what the membership wants and they found out it was not just a roag NC member trying to play hard ball as they thought.
It seems as of late SWA and AA are doing the exact same tactics lately from sending in the VP's from labor relations and having the exact same outcome that they stalled out and or went backwards in nego's to trying to do the "go around" on the NC cmte's and nego with the membership, and yes it will just cause division and they are trying to get the guys to jump on the first offers.
After reading the letter above, and watching the video from GP, it doesn't look like they are even close. The co. is trying to do the same they were trying to do with us with the scope I sure hope you guys can keep the scope where it is.
If we get a contract (T/A or AIP) before you guys do I hope you guys are able to leap frog us. April might be a little interesting as long as they keep that VP McCrady out of ours. Our NC did invite Mike V. to our nego's and after the blow up from McCrady and the movement backwards, maybe Mike will show up and get er done because he gave his word in writing that they could get it done in March and McCrady blew all that right out the window. We will see how April turns out. Good luck to all of you.
Hack, not sure why all of a sudden th weez got so sensitive and bent out of shape, but it may have a lot to do with I told him so and I was right all along and it just wrenched his panties in a wadd. He did make me laugh out loud though...

 

[swamt]

Glad to see Gary Peterson finally pi$$ed off. Also glad we don't have to vote on this crap. No buyout should ever be part of a TA as we have been hosed too many times by the people who vote for the buyout and leave the rest of us holding the bag of excrement. Good job Gary.

Couldn't agree more OG. There should never be a buy out offer tied to any contract vote. If any union allows that they should be fired as it's a tool used by the co. to get yes votes by people who will not live under the contract, completely unfair and disrespect towards all the employees that remain.

The recent proposal from the company was an insult to our profession. The IAM gained nothing, lost pension and medical. I’ll keep what I have. If I have to wait another year I’m willing.

Well, at least GP is now pissed and is still willing to fight for the ILC as promised. It sounds to me that the NC is holding strong to the ILC demands so the company tried the ole "go around" on the NC to try and nego with the membership. They tried it here with us and it totally backfired on them, just have every single person they talk to send letters to videos and meetings that we fully support our NC and that's why we put them at the table for nego's. Once they see they will get nowhere with the membership outside the NC they should give up and get back to the table with the NC. It worked very well for us by doing so.

 

[B737 driver]

Hack, I know you guys already know, but, our co. did the exact same thing with the "go around" on the NC trying to nego with the membership. It actually worked the exact opposite for the co. in our case. The membership drilled them at their road shows so hard that they came back to the table to nego better and make movement finally. Some of the road shows the company did got so heated the company had to leave, and some the membership walked out on them. What they find out at their roadshows was the membership was fully supporting our NC and was drilling them on all the exact same issues the NC was drilling them on at the table. By fully supporting our NC got the co. back to the table and actually make movement and they stopped with the attempt to nego a contract with the membership. Our NC is nego what the membership wants and they found out it was not just a roag NC member trying to play hard ball as they thought.
It seems as of late SWA and AA are doing the exact same tactics lately from sending in the VP's from labor relations and having the exact same outcome that they stalled out and or went backwards in nego's to trying to do the "go around" on the NC cmte's and nego with the membership, and yes it will just cause division and they are trying to get the guys to jump on the first offers.
After reading the letter above, and watching the video from GP, it doesn't look like they are even close. The co. is trying to do the same they were trying to do with us with the scope I sure hope you guys can keep the scope where it is.
If we get a contract (T/A or AIP) before you guys do I hope you guys are able to leap frog us. April might be a little interesting as long as they keep that VP McCrady out of ours. Our NC did invite Mike V. to our nego's and after the blow up from McCrady and the movement backwards, maybe Mike will show up and get er done because he gave his word in writing that they could get it done in March and McCrady blew all that right out the window. We will see how April turns out. Good luck to all of you.
Hack, not sure why all of a sudden th weez got so sensitive and bent out of shape, but it may have a lot to do with I told him so and I was right all along and it just wrenched his panties in a wadd. He did make me laugh out loud though...

It's always a game and when the company realize they finally have to settle they do, especially if the need something, like they now need from us.

 

[B737 driver]

It’s ok swamt I did notice that and thought about it pretty much the second after the letter came out how similar the two situations were as if we really are caught in the middle of some type of theatrical production here.

But it’s still only the Company’s who can get us all to deals and deals we’ll pass since they own the bank accounts, not any of the Unions.

Both American and Southwest is what pays our paychecks, if you look on your pay stubs, you will notice your union dues on your deductions. I always looked at a Union like hiring a lawyer.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

03-26-18

 

[The Watcher]

 

[enough already]

I just went to the 514 meeting this afternoon. After listening to the president’s report, I don’t think there’s any hope of getting a contract for a couple of years. It sounds like our guys are spending half their time arguing with the IAM guys of the Ass. Them and their pipe dream of keeping their healthcare. Their completely happy with all the holidays and vacation time to sit back and wait. Without a united front, the compAAny’s just gonna sit back and laugh. The Ass has got to go...

 

[The Watcher]

Fighting over it?
Read the update and watch Gary’s video.

They are not fighting amongst themselves.

 

[B737 driver]

I just went to the 514 meeting this afternoon. After listening to the president’s report, I don’t think there’s any hope of getting a contract for a couple of years. It sounds like our guys are spending half their time arguing with the IAM guys of the Ass. Them and their pipe dream of keeping their healthcare. Their completely happy with all the holidays and vacation time to sit back and wait. Without a united front, the compAAny’s just gonna sit back and laugh. The Ass has got to go...

The IAM side is not going to help you, if they risk losing what they have. Sounds like you guys are just headed to section 6, when your contract becomes amenable, I hope you guys don't have to go almost six years before your next raise.

 

[swamt]

Fighting over it?
Read the update and watch Gary’s video.

They are not fighting amongst themselves.

I don't think they are either but there is still a very noticeable indifference within the asso. between the IAM and TWU folks and it's all working towards the companies favor. Sorry but it's true.

 

[swamt]

Maybe this guy will get sent in the nego's next. Anyone have any info on this new guy to be your VP of labor relations? Maybe he should sit in for that Johnson fella??

American Airlines Appoints Two New Officers to Corporate Functions

 

[The Watcher]

It’s a she, do you even read the link you stole?

And that was announced on February 1, 2018.

 

[bigjets]

It’s a bad time for USA AMTs, senator Inoff from Oklahoma no less, has introduced legislation to make it easier for non licensed people to work on airliners.

Trump and Jared have business dealings in the Middle East so I doubt there will be any help to fight the Middle East Airlines.

Every Major airline has cut AMT staffing in half.

Federal law works against airline unions and sadly the afl cio is not interested in making a strong airline mechanics union with only airline mechanics issues and membership.

Not to mention our own airline is under attack from Ultra low cost carriers as well as southwest. Spirit WOW and Norwegian Air.

 

[The Watcher]