All true, A/C Maintenance headcount has steadly moved down by thousands over the last 15 years. The union has been unable to stop this. Now, the company wants a headcount reduction in Facilities Maintenance as well as Stores. This was hardly secret. Now GP is in the International, and all of a sudden - headcount is extremely important. All of this reduction would be through attrition. So it seems we are being held hostage for future headcount numbers. Let that sink in. Typically, this is where the TWU International steps in, and trades AMT benefits and pay away in exchange for maintaining headcount. The membership will be blamed for the lack of a better deal. A TA will somehow pass when nobody knows anybody that voted for it, and the AMTs come away chumped. Then, 6 months later the saved heads are cut anyway. This cycle needs to change.
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All true, A/C Maintenance headcount has steadly moved down by thousands over the last 15 years. The union has been unable to stop this. Now, the company wants a headcount reduction in Facilities Maintenance as well as Stores. This was hardly secret. Now GP is in the International, and all of a sudden - headcount is extremely important. All of this reduction would be through attrition. So it seems we are being held hostage for future headcount numbers. Let that sink in. Typically, this is where the TWU International steps in, and trades AMT benefits and pay away in exchange for maintaining headcount. The membership will be blamed for the lack of a better deal. A TA will somehow pass when nobody knows anybody that voted for it, and the AMTs come away chumped. Then, 6 months later the saved heads are cut anyway. This cycle needs to change.
They have not been at it longer than us. Their JCBA nego's started after ours did.
Paul, this asso will not give anything of an update usually until after this week, then again next week. The only time we get any sort of an update outside of the usual end of week updates are from CB and others that take the time to come to the forums to update a little better but still very lack of full info. Also, with the asso. updates will only include what articles have been T/A'd and greed to not what the body of the "new look" of said T/A'd articles. This will not hit the membership until T/A day is here, then all kaos will break out with confusion and misinformation actuations etc...
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So, with record profits we should be giving something up? I'm not willing to be a sell-out, and give away future positions. People could have done this a long time ago and we wouldnt have jobs.
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I wasn't talking about length of negotiations, I was talking about the company wanting rule changes. All maintenance is being treated the same way by airlines, because we are seen as cost, especially when you are not an MRO provider.
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$19.2 Million, not to shabby!
$19.2 Million, not to shabby!
You're not giving away future positions? Who do you think you are? You WORK for a company, you all need to know your station at AA. The executives and managers live AA, they are attached to their phone, they come in on their vacation for meetings. We on the other hand spend 8.5 hours a day 5 days a week. After punching out we go home and don't think about AA again until we punch in the next day. If our supv won't approve a paid lunch, we walk off the plane and go eat.
Don't over estimate your station in life, trust that the Association is getting the best deal they can and don't think the AMT think tank means anything outside of your break room, because none of us know what the plans are for AA and it's mechanics. It doesn't look too good, but there are jobs out there for AMTs. We went from 14k mechs to 7300, all we "gave" to save jobs doesn't mean a thing. Get the best contract possible and move on, and stop whining.
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Oh.
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Kind of curious as to what SWAMT and DRIVER have to say about this.
http://aviation.travel/faa-southwest-airlines-maintenance-safety-in-question-again/
Almost seems that if this was AAA, it would have been on every news station in the country.
http://aviation.travel/faa-southwest-airlines-maintenance-safety-in-question-again/
Almost seems that if this was AAA, it would have been on every news station in the country.
SWA is very, very good about keeping things low key and out of the presses. I have nothing more to say as there is currently investigations going on.
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Thanks for the reply.
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It's called window dressing by our union, does American have American mechanics at every station before an aircraft goes on a ETOPS flight before it leaves, no. No one at SWA is ETOPS trained, nothing has been approved by the FAA, had a friend of mine at Delta, and when they wanted to fly their 757s with the Pratts, it took the Feds two years to approve it. Hopefully we have a bargaining chip in negotiations, we will see next month.
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That is correct "I" wont! The last time I checked, im allowed to vote how i feel fit. Im not sure about this "you all need to know your station at AA" comment, but i will repeat im not a sell out, period. I bet if the guys before you did this, you would be on here bitching. I guess its all good, as long as you get yours.
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No one is really a sell out, management is out to save money, for the share holders, your union tries to maintain membership, if they know they really can't, then they try to get as,much money and benefits for the members they have. Everyone complains, but in the end that is the reality. Now if there is bankruptcy then all bets are off. Most people when they vote, vote for what's best for them, because they are the ones on the property. People do not think about someone that might be hired in 5 years. Especially in a seniority based jobs rewarded postions. You want people to leave and retire, so you can get better shift, better days off. Or someday be an inspector or Crew Chief.
