Afa Loses Again

PSA1979

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This just came as an e-line from local council 70, once again AFA has spent who knows how much for an arbitration that our company won.

"On October 16, 2003, you received a newsletter from your MEC President, Perry
Hayes, informing you of the implementation of the new time balanced reserve system
and outlining the issues that were presented at the System Board arbitration
on October 7, 2003.

The arbitration focused on two main issues that were left unresolved from previous
mediation. Those issues were: whether the company could use a percentage based
system to time balance the reserve system (ie. Credited hours divided by each
flight attendant’s option maximum) and whether they company could count projected
vacation hours at the end of the month instead of the beginning. The Union
believed and argued at the arbitration that both of these positions are contrary
to the language that was negotiated during the December, 2002 round of concessions.
AFA presented testimony and evidence from its chief negotiator, Clare Burt,
that the company fully intended to balance the reserve system by hours and count
projected hours at the beginning of each month.

Arbitrator James Conway rendered his decision on December 9, 2003. He held that
the company did not violate the December, 2002 Agreement by implementing a time
balancing system by percentages since it is a "straightforward relationship between
whole numbers, numerator to denominator, either raw numbers or percentages would
represent a system of time balancing expressed in terms of hours and minutes
and be faithful to the literal terms of the December accord...". In addition,
Arbitrator Conway opined that counting vacation and training hours at the beginning
of the month as credited hours was inconsistent with the December Agreement and
would hurt high time fliers. Specifically, he stated: "As with percentages,
the semantic fog on the point must yield to the clear-cut objectives of the parties
to avoid flight attendants finishing their flying obligation early and thus not
being available thereafter."

What is going to happen on Jan 14th? In my opinion, the company is going to win again. Why you ask? Well, because our contract states the company must offer a Voluntary Furlough when there is a reduction in force. There is no new reduction, the f/a's going out on Invol. Furlough are replacing ones that came back in December.

We'll see.............
 
Don't forget... AFA already won this fight once....IE the May/June invol Furloughs !!!

Of course it still didn't do myself and all the others Inv.Furloughed any good... Basically we got Screwed to try and save this from happening in the Future...Well, here it is ...THE FUTURE and the Company is Still trying to pull the Same Crap!!!

YES WE WILL SEE !!!!
 
I expect the company to win this arbitration.

The boards have been quiet this weekend. :up:
 

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Hey Bob,

This swinging after the bell stuff isn't very "Cricket" , if you know what I mean?...and I'm certain you do :angry:

I would expect better from you...when you know certain parties are not in a position at present to respond to your comments in kind. Don't you think this is a bit beneath you?
 
Pitbull was banned for a few days as most know on here. Afa is losing these fights because it and its staff did a very poor job of sifting thru the details. Plain and simple. You cannot blame the company for milking every peeny out of the contract just like afa pushes the envelope. I know im a afa member.
 
PineyBob
Posted on Jan 12 2004, 03:27 PM

HMMMM,
Why is it that when IAM goes to court, it wins and AFA is continually on the brown end of the stick?

That's because the I.A.M. refuses to enter into "arbitration".

The idea of living under arbritary decisions based on arbritary rules, makes us madder than a snarling polar bear !

When the company tells us we need to arbitrate a work rule change, our reply is that they obviously can't be talking to us.

We like our rules cast out of concrete. And only the Federal wrecking ball can breach them.

Most mechanics I work with think that the leadership at the A.F.A. are geniuses. But why they agree to arbitration is beyond us.

And here's another concrete wall for the company to smash its face against:
 
Analyst said:
I expect the company to win this aribitration.
What, the latest round of furlough abuse?

I doubt it--they lost a similar trip to arbitration last year.
 
Bob,

I appreciate your suppport over the IAM "Outsourcing Case"....but I'm not concerned with AOG being lumped into any catagory inspite of the actions of others who's motives are assumed to be suspect and highly counter-productive.

I, unlike a few ,I am most capable of defending my position and my actions....and 9 times out of 10 coming out on top because of my ethical actions and reputation within my group. The same cannot be said of those whom harbor or support a less than honorable agenda.

My comments to you are very simple , honorable and most of all ethical....yet your reply to me has already cast for another round of bickering with certain people , once the sentence is served.....This again Sir , is well beneath you.

The company itself ..and or the offending parties peers are the ones whom should be passing judgement on parties whom are assumed to be abusing the established "sick time" rules...not those whom are admitted outsiders.

Your continued push and jabs at individuals whom you don't even know, work with or walk a mile with , makes your comments somewhat falsely inflammatory. Unless you are a U person? You can only assume or speculate that you are correct in your observations/assumptions.

My observations on this subject have been limited to issues of which I have first person account of and witness to. I do not seek out and bash the Flight Dept or any other work group that I have at best limited knowledge of , or interaction with. Can you make that same claim?....or is further debate and antagonism the sole purpose in this exchange?

I believe you need to answer these questions for yourself....cuz anything you can't prove or admit to having first person knowledge of....is as they say in legal terms "Pure Conjecture".....just as you being accused of being " A Management Shill" is.

I hope this puts my point in perspective for you.


AOG-N-IT
Defender of "Lazy Union Bums"
Keeper of the truth
Champion of Right over Wrong
:up:
 
Analyst,

AND YES I AM FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!


So, I will start.....with PSA 1979
 

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