jimntx
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Winglet said:
Winglet, did you start early on the spiked egg nog again this year?
Aa's Big Announcement On Feb, 2005
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Winglet, did you start early on the spiked egg nog again this year?
AirwAr said:
ewww. sounds scary AND possible.
The other rumor was that Branson would buy Eagle to be the start of his start up.
Nobody can figure out if the Eagle gates can/will go with them if this were true.
Rumors will be rumors and the ones I have heard have said this would fit with Bransons plan because he can have seamless travel with Virgin from europe throught the U.S. The rumor gets cloudy when the talk of conflicts of interest between one world, BA, and Virgin come in.
Guess we will just have to wait and see.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone. I'll be flying tonight and hopefully on time.
Unless Arpey's been in negotiation with the unions very very, very very secretly, I seriously doubt that the "big" announcement involves a restructuring of the company. Probably more along the lines of continued shrinkage, more furloughs and station closings . . . . . and of course, transfer of domestic flying to high cost RJs.
I doubt that Branson wants anything to do with buying a unionized carrier.
I doubt that Branson wants anything to do with buying a unionized carrier.
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the rest of american dont work at 36,000 ft..dont compare what/where we work to everyone else.. B)operaations said:
I dont think Eagle will be spun off. But maybe EX the MIA/SJU operation. I think Eagle will be all RJ by the end of 05'. I think "A" big Change around AMR would consist of A new Eagle/AA a 70-100 Seat EMB170/195 flown by Eagle/AA pilots wiht some new flowup/down. AMR will bea ble to pick up USairs E-170 realy cheap. and we know Embrear Loves AMR and would be more then willing to give them a ton of 90 seat jets. the EMB-145 wiht the new pax weights are only a 39 seat aircraft. I hate leaving people behind!!!
amcnd said:
With over 2500 AA pilots out of work, I don't think the APA would acquiese any more flying to AE. I think they'd approve a lower F-100 rate before they'd do that. The wild card is the pension issue. US Air has walked away from their pension obligations and UAL is trying to do the same. If loses continue, BK could be in AA's not-so-distant future, which would put all bets off.
Few AE pilots have flowed-up to AA and the flow-back of the massive amounts of AA furloughees has been much larger than anyone would have predicted.
AE ALPA has no clout on aircraft over 50 seats. The APA, at least for now, still has its scope provisions intact. And there is certainly no love lost between AE ALPA and the APA.
With a shutdown of U almost a certainty, and UAL completely rudderless, things could change in a hurry.
A spinoff of AE might be a good idea since it would generate some cash and get rid of a bunch of RJs that in a few years will be not worth very much. Also, AMR could contract out for feed at probably less than it costs them to operate AE now. AE pilots might like that since it would free AE to pursue larger aircraft as a stand alone carrier.
I dunno. Lots of variables here.
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Winglet said:
Boy, you said a mouthful there!
Would AMR want to lose control over their feed with the tradeoff being cash in their pocket and the flexibility to change commuters? I think they've had a positive experience with the American Connection partners and may be willing to take a chance.
I've heard that AMR isn't the slightest bit interested in the 70-100 seaters while the MD80's are sitting in the desert. But what AMR says and what AMR does are two vastly different things...TC
AA717driver said:
AMR has to be interested in the 100 seat airplanes. They just want them flown for commuter compensation. I think AA pilots would applaud selling off AE, then contracting out feed. AMR however, has traditionally wanted tight control. I just think that all these RJs are going to be Edsels in another 5 years.
Winglet said:
Considering the 7- 10 year lifespan of the EMB145 a/c, all the bold predictions of RJ going away will come true. Just not to the desert, but back into a beer can. The Emb was designed as disposable. Less then $10 mil doesn't buy a whole lot of airplane.
News flash, AMR is not interested in buying ANY new airplanes.
1. If AA doesn't think it can afford the 3-4 777s it was going to add in '05 and '06 what make you think they think they can afford to buy an entire new fleet of planes?
2. Fleet simplification. Arpey seem firmly commited to simplifying the fleet, not adding to it.
3. 100 seat aircraft have not been profitable for AA in the past and the feeling is that they won't be profitable in the future.
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<_< Oneflyer------So! We're back to square one! What do you feel will be a.a.'s big announcement???
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They have already spun TWA off, ask the pilots and F/A's, and most mechanics.
jimntx
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acmech said:Big announcement, Spin TWA off as a low cost first class carrier.
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Not really as funny as you seem to think it is. A lot of very good airline people with a lot of years of experience lost their jobs. Besides, the TWA certificate was surrendered to the FAA in September (not sure about the date, but it was this year). There is no TWA to spin off. Every single a/c and employee is now on the AA certificate.
I dispute that 100 seat aircraft cannot be profitable. The POS Fokker 100 was a piece of junk both from a maintainablity standpoint and a customer comfort standpoint.
As far as TWA goes, it's gone. Just a few hundred pilots and some aircraft remain. The TWA purchase was a huge boondoggle by Carty.
As far as TWA goes, it's gone. Just a few hundred pilots and some aircraft remain. The TWA purchase was a huge boondoggle by Carty.
