AA the new Eastern?

[Super FLUF]

I'm not the one whining, when I feel as though I don't want to work at AA I will move on, you want to direct your comment toward super fluff.

Oh please. So anyone that has an issue with their employer should just "leave". You have never tried to make your job better? Why ask for a raise? After all, if you don't like the pay and work rules, why did you stay? Why did you join the union? They were always asking for better pay and work rules on your behalf. If they didn't like it, they should "leave" right? As if their are no other mitigating circumstances as well - especially for those working under a seniority system and an economy in the tank.

Many analogies can be made to make your suggestion look foolish. I already made the one about the original colonists in this country. I wonder what would have happened if the colonies were full of Dukes that just wanted to take King George's crap and not fight back and make this a better place for all. You would have been real popular with guys like Samuel Adams. "If you don't like it here leave".

Wow. What sage advice. Also extremely chicken-$hit.

 

[Bob Owens]

Oh please. So anyone that has an issue with their employer should just "leave". You have never tried to make your job better? Why ask for a raise? After all, if you don't like the pay and work rules, why did you stay? Why did you join the union? They were always asking for better pay and work rules on your behalf. If they didn't like it, they should "leave" right?

Clearly the balance of power between an individual and a large employer is one sided. People formed Unions when the Bosses would say "if you dont like it leave". Whats really sad is we have Union officials who tell that to their members, makes you wonder, 'do these union leaders really believe in the concept of Unionism or was it the only path available to escape from the floor and win a six figure salary'?

Many analogies can be made to make your suggestion look foolish. I already made the one about the original colonists in this country. I wonder what would have happened if the colonies were full of Dukes that just wanted to take King George's crap and not fight back and make this a better place for all. You would have been real popular with guys like Samuel Adams. "If you don't like it here leave".

How about this "live like a slave to let the next generation fight someday".

 

[Duke787]

Oh please. So anyone that has an issue with their employer should just "leave". You have never tried to make your job better? Why ask for a raise? After all, if you don't like the pay and work rules, why did you stay? Why did you join the union? They were always asking for better pay and work rules on your behalf. If they didn't like it, they should "leave" right? As if their are no other mitigating circumstances as well - especially for those working under a seniority system and an economy in the tank.

Many analogies can be made to make your suggestion look foolish. I already made the one about the original colonists in this country. I wonder what would have happened if the colonies were full of Dukes that just wanted to take King George's crap and not fight back and make this a better place for all. You would have been real popular with guys like Samuel Adams. "If you don't like it here leave".

Wow. What sage advice. Also extremely chicken-$hit.

The difference from 1776 and our situation is, and I can't believe I have to explain this. In 1776 there was taxes without representation for everyday stuff from food to stamps.Everybody FORCED to pay.

Here at AA, we have contracts that we don't like at pay that is too low. We are not indentured servents, we are not slaves, we are not bound by law to work at AA, the only thing we are FORCED to do is pay union dues. We can leave AA at anytime without the penalty of death.

We voted down a pay raise in 2010, and I said we should voted that in.I said we should have voted down the 2012 LBO, but our union and/or company decided to pay off OSMs to get the contract passed. The pilots had a much better deal then the mechs.

 

[Realityck]

I wouldn't bet the rent money on this assumption. If the UCC decides to petition the court to convert the Ch.11 to a Ch.7 (a remote, but real possibility), it will be because they realize that AMR pieces are worth more than the AMR whole right now--which they are. AMR broken up and sold to the highest bidders is worth a lot more than the company and the employees as a complete package.

Doug Parker will be just another bozo on the bus going to the yard sale. Delta would pay a handsome sum for the MIA and DFW operations--particularly the South American routes, and the airplanes that go with them. UA and LCC will be battling over the Asian routes and airplanes. (I doubt that Doug would be interested in much else we have. He can't collect anymore DCA slots. ) But, the Asian routes and the a/c to fly them would be a very real asset for him to obtain. WN would probably go after DCA and LGA slots, and some of the short haul International (now that their f/as have voted for this)--like MIA (which they would move to FLL or MCO) to upper Caribbean.

Lovely routes, fairly new a/c (777 and 737), and no pesky disillusioned, angry employees to deal with. What a deal!

You should watch this video!

The cast of leading characters and their AA counterparts are easily recognized, the temporary sense of relief from outside parties (AA - USAir) vs (EAL - CAL & Texas Air) are a matter of record, and Eastern's ultimate demise are all history. If we don't learn from the past, we may be destined to repeat it.

http://youtu.be/MSSPAM3vauw

 

[FWAAA]

Cue Bob for his frequent "Why can't EXXON be forced to sell fuel for $1/gal if we're forced to sell our labor for 50% of its market value?" post.

 

[bigjets]

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1858678707001/american-airlines-flight-delays-pile-up/?playlist_id=87247


maybe management should stop paying consultants and pay employees

 

[Kev3188]

Oh please. So anyone that has an issue with their employer should just "leave". You have never tried to make your job better? Why ask for a raise? After all, if you don't like the pay and work rules, why did you stay? Why did you join the union? They were always asking for better pay and work rules on your behalf. If they didn't like it, they should "leave" right? As if their are no other mitigating circumstances as well - especially for those working under a seniority system and an economy in the tank.

Many analogies can be made to make your suggestion look foolish. I already made the one about the original colonists in this country. I wonder what would have happened if the colonies were full of Dukes that just wanted to take King George's crap and not fight back and make this a better place for all. You would have been real popular with guys like Samuel Adams. "If you don't like it here leave".

Wow. What sage advice. Also extremely chicken-$hit.

Your attitude is a refreshing change (honestly).

Maybe there's hope for labor yet...

 

[ContUNITEus]

Re: Fox News link

I second everything that Michael Boyd said. At the same time, I have to say, "what a dumb-ass biT$CH" there at Fox News.

Seriously???? Adopting the Bill O'Reilly style of speaking, and then saying the most absurd and ignorant things on the air? Additionally, am I hearing this right? Did she say: "Is this just thoughter?"

Ohhh, come-on, please, FOX News now ran out of intelligent blondes, and are just now putting ANY blonde on the air?

JEEZZZ

 

[wings396]

I agree, she was an idiot during that clip.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Re: Fox News link

I second everything that Michael Boyd said. At the same time, I have to say, "what a dumb-ass biT$CH" there at Fox News.

Seriously???? Adopting the Bill O'Reilly style of speaking, and then saying the most absurd and ignorant things on the air? Additionally, am I hearing this right? Did she say: "Is this just thoughter?"

Ohhh, come-on, please, FOX News now ran out of intelligent blondes, and are just now putting ANY blonde on the air?

JEEZZZ

I believe she used the word fodder!!

 

[ContUNITEus]

Yeah... must be Fodder... Interesting choice of words.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Sounds like Mike Boyd is pissed that he was not hired as a consultant by AA.

It also sounds like he is being paid by, or has a vested interest in AA going home with the ugly girl at nights end....

Who might that be?

 

[wings396]

Never heard him mention anything about a merger or US.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Re: Fox News link

I second everything that Michael Boyd said. At the same time, I have to say, "what a dumb-ass biT$CH" there at Fox News.

Seriously???? Adopting the Bill O'Reilly style of speaking, and then saying the most absurd and ignorant things on the air? Additionally, am I hearing this right? Did she say: "Is this just thoughter?"

Ohhh, come-on, please, FOX News now ran out of intelligent blondes, and are just now putting ANY blonde on the air?

JEEZZZ

Thats just FOX news at it again

 

[xUT]

Your attitude is a refreshing change (honestly).

Maybe there's hope for labor yet...

I agree Kev, but reading the whining, bitchy, self serving comments from some of these folks lead me lacking.
I understand why the TWU is/has been so successful and I see why they will eventually either keep the TWU or vote reamsters. It's in their inherent makeup on the way the view Unionism. The few good people will be overwhelmed by the majority of people scared to stand up for themselves.
B) xUT