AA Management Bonuses - Despite More Losses

[Bob Owens]

Incentive compensation can be a reward when things go well, but it can also be an effective way to hold people accountable as well. If you aren't concerned with holding management accountable, then I'm sure Arpey, et. al. would be happy to take a flat pay increase of 100% instead.

$700,000/year isnt enough incentive to do your job?

Funny but the pro-management people here expect people who get far, far less than that to do their job.

Funny but we were doing our jobs and the boys at the top screwed up, we took massive paycuts but you seem to feel that those guys should be rewarded.

 

[TWU informer]

$700,000/year isnt enough incentive to do your job?

Funny but the pro-management people here expect people who get far, far less than that to do their job.

Funny but we were doing our jobs and the boys at the top screwed up, we took massive paycuts but you seem to feel that those guys should be rewarded.

Maybe the new "CULTURE" AA Management seeks, is one where management bonuses are accepted as just required rentention pay, and employee concessions are accepted as required to pay for such bonuses.


This whole thread makes me sick to my stomach!

Reading the post of the management bonus defenders is as bad a looking at my reduced paycheck every two weeks.

What a wonderful concept for management idiots. "We need bonuses as compensation to stay at AA and as a reward for ideas that save money, regular employees need to continuously give back more to insure management has these things, for if were not for Management Idiots having meetings we would not be so lucky to have a job, brother."

It is as if, they completely disregard the contributions of the grunts, and only from their high pedestal does the company survive.

These are NOT Pull Together, Win Together arguements we are reading here, this is nothing more than simpleton status quo bull from the same dimwits that nearly Bankrupted or at least imagined Bankruptcy for AA to begin with!

I look forward to the day when the grunts have had enough and break it off in these idiots. Only then will they realize that retaining their employment with rediculous bonuses does not make this company operate day to day.

 

[Connected1]

Something tells me that if our senior officers made a total $50K per year (all in bonuses) there wouldn't even be an argument here. At the heart of the matter is not bonuses but the raw difference in total compensation between senior officers and the front line. That is a market reality that extends well beyond AA.

The way I see it, so long as your Fortune 500 CEO is successful and still makes less money than the head coach of the Houston Texans, you're getting a pretty good deal.

 

[TWU informer]

Something tells me that if our senior officers made a total $50K per year (all in bonuses) there wouldn't even be an argument here. At the heart of the matter is not bonuses but the raw difference in total compensation between senior officers and the front line. That is a market reality that extends well beyond AA.

The way I see it, so long as your Fortune 500 CEO is successful and still makes less money than the head coach of the Houston Texans, you're getting a pretty good deal.

07/26/2005
JAMES A BEER
Chief Financial Officer
SHARES 26,200
AMR Open Market Sale
proceeds of $351,080.00

07/26/2005
JAMES A BEER
Chief Financial Officer
SHARES 26,200
AMR Exercise of Stock Options
at cost of $252,816.00

I dont think we are talking anything close to an ALL-
IN $50K dipweed.

HOW MANY DAMN TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BE TOLD THAT THE CONCESSIONS NEED TO BE RETURNED BEFORE BONUSES ARE PAID????

HOW MANY TIMES?

 

[Imagolfer]

I have said it once and I will say it again (as you predicted). If you want an Executive Level job where you can get shares of your company, go out...get an MBA and DO IT!!! Quit bit#@ing for God's sake. It's a fact of corporate America. GET OVER IT

 

[Bob Owens]

I have said it once and I will say it again (as you predicted). If you want an Executive Level job where you can get shares of your company, go out...get an MBA and DO IT!!! Quit bit#@ing for God's sake. It's a fact of corporate America. GET OVER IT

Who says you need an MBA to be a CEO?

"A fact of Corporate America"? What that these guys are corrupt and dishonest and they have an Old boys network that artificially inflates the wages of CEOs while delivering sub par performance?

 

[Imagolfer]

Who says you need an MBA to be a CEO?

"A fact of Corporate America"? What that these guys are corrupt and dishonest and they have an Old boys network that artificially inflates the wages of CEOs while delivering sub par performance?

What, no bag slingers in MIA were convicted of drug charges <_< . I guess only the "good ole boys network" are corrupt :wub:

 

[Wretched Wrench]

"Pull Together, Win Together."

Well, I'm pulling, but they are doing the winning.

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"Shared Sacrifice"

Well, I'm sacrificing, but they are certainly not.

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"Leading by Example"

Huh?

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[TWU informer]

I have said it once and I will say it again (as you predicted). If you want an Executive Level job where you can get shares of your company, go out...get an MBA and DO IT!!! Quit bit#@ing for God's sake. It's a fact of corporate America. GET OVER IT

Excuse me but I'll bit#@ all I want and if you dont like it, you can go golfing instead of reading my bitching.

Did you give up $15,000 plus per year in wages and benefits?

Or are you here stirring the pot without living the reality of the matter?

 

[Wretched Wrench]

What, no bag slingers in MIA were convicted of drug charges <_< .

Oh, please. The criminal acts of a few have nothing to do with the subject here. No one group is calling another criminal, or even alluding to any individual criminality in another group.

But you knew that. Just can't resist a cheap shot, can you? But it does lower your credibility a little more.

Why are you here, anyway? You don't have a dog in this fight.

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[Hopeful]

What, no bag slingers in MIA were convicted of drug charges <_< . I guess only the "good ole boys network" are corrupt :wub:

Can you say "ENRON?"

 

[eolesen]

Oh, please. The criminal acts of a few have nothing to do with the subject here.

Yet the unethical acts of the Carty, Jeff Campbell, and Sue Oliver (neither of whom survived after Brennan & Arpey took control) of HR (the people responsible for SEC filings and communicating with labor) seems to be more than enough to condemn all of management forever.

Stock options for management aren't any different than a car or retail salesman working on a commission basis. I'd prefer to have just half the amount of my variable compensation component to be in my paycheck, but that's not how it works.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Yet the unethical acts of the Carty, Jeff Campbell, and Sue Oliver (neither of whom survived after Brennan & Arpey took control) of HR (the people responsible for SEC filings and communicating with labor) seems to be more than enough to condemn all of management forever.

Nah, not "enough to comdemn all of management forever".

(There you go again, building a straw man).

But perhaps enough to make us a little suspicious of them when they mouth their platitudes about "shared sacrifice" and "pull together, win together" and all that tripe.

 

[Bear96]

I have said it once and I will say it again (as you predicted). If you want an Executive Level job where you can get shares of your company, go out...get an MBA and DO IT!!! Quit bit#@ing for God's sake. It's a fact of corporate America. GET OVER IT

I have to agree with this. While perhaps it isn't the way things OUGHT to be, it is the way things are. Some jobs pay a lot of money, and some don't.

You want the executive / management / CEO salary, go out and do what it takes to get one of those jobs. As unions continue to decline, the days of union-inflated working-class salaries are over. Adjust accordingly.

 

[Hopeful]

I have to agree with this. While perhaps it isn't the way things OUGHT to be, it is the way things are. Some jobs pay a lot of money, and some don't.

You want the executive / management / CEO salary, go out and do what it takes to get one of those jobs. As unions continue to decline, the days of union-inflated working-class salaries are over. Adjust accordingly.

I guess executive compensation in this country is not overinflated!