AA Down Under and Trans Pac?

[WorldTraveler]

There are a whole lot of people whose egos are all wrapped up in the notion that AA is #1... in fact, AA's size comes from the domestic market and from its own fortress hubs and not from the most competitive markets in the US.
 
they are chasing me around using information which they should have read before they posted it showing that the situation I have said AA is in is valid - and the world they think AA is in is not reality.
 
that is why THEY are chasing.
 
I am not the one that has gone of for endless ages and pages trying to argue what AA MIGHT do given its massive LAX gate holdings now or in the future.
 
I am the one that has repeatedly asked why AA can't make the flights it does operate to Asia to produce revenue comparable to the industry.
 
no one seems to be able to explain that but they instead hold onto dreams that are way out in the future and likely won't ever materialize because it makes no sense to believe that AA can win in the future if it can't produce comparable revenues today.   

 

[jcw]

Struggling again we see - let's see DLand UA traffic is down for the winter

Let's look at airplanes see for most airlines you need aircraft to generate revenue - so let's look at the wide body counts - at year end UA had 148, AA had 145 (I'm taking out 6 767's that retired after the first of the year) and DL had 142 - so with fewer aircraft it's much harder to be the #1 international airline.

No way you can spin things - UA bought CO and we look at their combined operations, DL bought NW and we look at their combined operation so the same is true for AA

once again you struggle with clear facts take reported revenue on DOT for DL, UA and (AA+US) and see where DL ranks - I already did it for you however you struggle to accept basic facts

Lastly no one is reducing from DL financials Trainer revenue - remember that is revenue generated from running a refinery and not flying planes - the DOT numbers do a great job of forcing apples to apples comparisons

Really tough one

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

The difference in the gates that AA has vs. DL and UA comes from its domestic size, not its

 
I love the double standard on full display here by World Fraudster.
On one hand, he's dissing AA because of it's large presence in South America (international), but now here he is dissing AA for it's strong domestic presence, you know, the 'region' where the airline performance is strong.
So much spin, so many lies.
 

no, full stop, no.

no, DL's European network is not significantly larger than AA's... and DL is not posting enormous RASM losses to Europe either.
 

 
I love the double standard on full display here by World Fraudster.
Depending on what the narrative is, DL greatness is Europe is pointed out numerous times (France, Germany, Italy, for example).  Now that the narrative does not fit, one has to ignore DLs presence in Europe/Eurozone, really, there is nothing to see here, no, full stop, no.
So much spin, so many lies.
 

I'm sure that is how you feel finding out that the drop in the Euro is not going to hurt DL or UA (both of whom have Euro zone partners) as much as the strong dollar will hurt AA in Latin America.
 

 
I love the double standard on full display here by World Fraudster.
On one hand, AA, the 3rd largest international carrier will suffer more from Euro devaluation than the #1 or #2 carrier to Europe/Eurozone.
So much spin, so many lies.
 

no, I don't have any problems with being #3, 5, or 7.

 
I love the double standard on full display here by World Fraudster.
I'm pretty sure there was only 1 poster on here preaching on how a #3 carrier in a market is doomed to failure.
So much spin, so many lies.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Great - your conceding DL is 3

Have a great night

Funny that your now switching to weather issues

No worries.
I think DL found it's niche, ATL, so it can survive as a niche carrier, since that is what any #3 is destined for.
 
Nothing new about switching to weather, afterall, he is spinning faster than a tornado.

 

[commavia]

Too funny - per usual.  Only a warped-reality Delta fanboy could construe AA having extensive access to TBIT, LAX's largest (and newest, and arguably soon nicest) international arrivals facility, and also the LAX FIS facility with the most extensive arrivals capability, as a competitive disadvantage.
 
The good news, for all of these endless diatribes of hilarity, is that regardless of some peoples' refusal (inability?) to accept it, AA is, in fact, LAX's largest airline and AA does, in fact, have access or soon will have access to substantially more gates than Delta or United will have any realistic prospect of getting a hold on, at least without substantially degrading the contiguousness, convenience and connectivity of their operations.  AA continues to grow substantially at LAX, and if AA's own recent public statements are to be believed, AA clearly plans on growing even more internationally in the years ahead.  Oh, and AA is profitable - very, very profitable.  Reality.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the complete ignorance of the most basic facts of the industry and how they are twisted by some is simply mind-numbing.
 
In fact, AA is the ONLY one of the big 3 that has posted traffic declines in the first two months of 2015. 
 
AA's system traffic is down 1.8% and international was down 2.6%.
 
DL's system traffic is UP 4.3% with int'l up 2.2
 
UA's system traffic was up 0.6% and int'l is up 4.2%.
 
based on 2015 international traffic thru Feb 2015, AA is the smallest international of the 3 US airlines.
 
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-airlines-group-reports-february-120000251.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-reports-financial-operating-performance-134500618.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united-reports-february-2015-operational-205000648.html

The number of airplanes in the fleet clearly don't translate into actually carrying passengers.
 
and as hard as it is for some to digest, AA is number 3 among int'l carriers at LAX and in NYC and if AA is very, very profitable, then DL and UA are even more so since they have higher average fares. DL has the advantage of a lower CASM than AA.

 

[commavia]

"If AA is very, very profitable, then DL and UA are even more so ..."
 
Fascinating.  Once again - the skewed myopia of Delta fantasyland.  Back here in reality, it doesn't logically follow, as we've read before, that if Delta can't do something, then AA can't either, nor that, if AA is profitable, than Delta or United is more so.  AA is on track this year to post profits that - by some estimates - will be in excess of those of Delta and United.  AA is the largest airline at LAX, and has signaled substantial further international growth there in the future.  None of this has anything to do with Delta, nor to flawed, imperfect comparisons using non-apples-to-apples DOT-reported data between airlines that are at different stages of their post-merger development.
 
To the actual topic of this thread - the bottom line is, once again, that if AA wants to grow between LAX and Asia, there's nothing Delta can do to stop it and, in fact, Delta may well be at a disadvantage in terms of "punishing" AA for such growth (and, at a minimum, will have to take heavy losses in order to exact such "punishment").  AA has multiple distinct, likely sustainable and non-replicable, advantages at LAX - just as other carriers have at other airports - and AA's own recent words and actions indicate that it plans to fully capitalize and said advantages in the pursuit of investing in a competitive, viable Asian franchise that contributes positively to the overall network.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I know it is basic math which you clearly aren't so good at - but if DL has a lower CASM and gets a higher average fare, DL is indeed more profitable.
 
all the advantages that AA supposedly has isn't translating into increased profitability. 
 
all AA does at LAX is push more domestic passengers thru the door on aircraft that hold fewer passengers than DL. 

 

[commavia]

And yet ... somehow ... some predict that AA will this year produce a higher profit margin than Delta.
 
"Basic math" indeed ...

 

[WorldTraveler]

since no airline has given full year guidance, it is but a guess.
 
and whatever advantage AA has for now is due to lower fuel costs due to a lack of hedges.
 
AA's revenue growth based on the reports of published professional analysts validate what I have said which is that AA will underperform the industry on revenue production. 
 
based on AA's traffic reports for the year to date and based on its RASM, AA is a shrinking airline. 

 

[jcw]

Lets start off with the definition of revenue passenger miles - it's the number of revenue paying passengers times the miles flown - you can easily skew the # higher with longer flights remember you are multiplying by miles

Therefore RPM does not make one the biggest carrier - remember UA and AA generated more revenue from international flights than DL

You also should look at 3 quarters of data from the DOT on the actual number of passengers flown by each carrier internationally

AA carried 21,866,126 passengers
UA carried 19,479,056 passengers
DL carried 16,949,549 passengers


Remember we were told more people chose DL - funny DL carried only 29% of all passengers flown last year

If you looked closely at the releases provided DL had the largest drop in load factor to the Atlantic

The good news for DL is Ryan Air is going to start trans Atlantic flying so this will have no impact on DL's #1 international market

Tough one

 

[WorldTraveler]

first of all, the industry standard for traffic results in the airline industry is the RPM
 
revenue is a valid comparison of size in ANY business.
 
I have never been the one that has had this endless obsession with size - whether it be in LAX or after the size of the merger.
 
You and your AA nutcAAses are the ones that have endlessly been obsessed with size since the day the merger was announced.
 
and again, I don't care if AA had the highest amount of revenue in 2014.
 
It is highly likely that will be the last year that will be the case
 
You can't admit that AA is a shrinking airline and much of its revenue and passengers carried in 2014 were because of routes that don't work because of the former US Star relationship and AA's unbridled expansion in Latin America that is having to be cut back dramatically.
 
Enjoy your size right now.
 
it isn't going to last.
 
and more significantly, even with the merger AA is still number 3 out of 3 in BOTH LAX and NYC.
 
that hurts to admit that which is why you can't.   

 

[jcw]

The only one struggling is you otherwise you would not be at almost 18k in posts spinning how DL wins everything

 

[MAH4546]

American Airlines is the largest airline at LAX. Sorry that facts really continues to bother you. It's hysterical you can't even admit it. 

 

[FWAAA]

American Airlines is the largest airline at LAX. Sorry that facts really continues to bother you. It's hysterical you can't even admit it.

AA+US has 121 mainline departures scheduled today from LAX, which is not much smaller than the PHL mainline operation. Within a year to 18 months, AA will have 31 total gates at LAX (21 of them mainline) which should enable AA to fly as many as 200 mainline departures plus the regional operations from the 10-gate Eagle satellite.

Plus the benefits of the E175s replacing the 50-seaters and the Mesa CRJ900s, which will help attract more traffic to AA.

I see some significant growth in AA's LAX future.