"aa Better Off In Bankruptcy"

[TWU informer]

If Delle cared about the membership I believe he would be spending sometime helping, instead of going to hotdog functions. I also believe with 3 contracts in negoitiations right now he would be spending some of the money he is spending at AA to have lawyers in negotiations!

From what I'am hearing Horizon is being sold down the tubes in language!

Delle does not care about you or me and will sell AA membership in a heart beat! Don't be fooled by the lies and intimidations from these few Amfa wannabes on this form!!!!!!

Informer,hopeful,owens,deadbeat and the others are so disappointed with the shortage of signers thet can't even remember which lies they tell anymore.

Are you also "hearing" that Horizon Membership will suffer a "without further ratification" labor agreement, like we did? Of course Not! Now that would be a "sell out"!


That only happens with the TWU. Tell us again how a membership can be "sold down the tubes", when they will have full contract language in hand and vote on the agreement? I still see you using "the membership voted for it" claim when it comes to your sellout, but you refuse to apply the same standard to any AMFA contract. When will you hold your own union to the same standard you wish to hold AMFA?

Your FLAMING FEAR gets us more cards signed than you would ever know. We print these forums, take them to work, and use your words to get more cards. You are the best organizer we have, keep up the good work.

 

[Checking it Out]

Informer, the majority of the time when you open your mouth! You even admit you can't or are incapable of repreenting anyone! What was your last theory? 49.9% or was it 100%? Your lie so much it is hard to keep track?

Become Informed and the wise choice will be the TWU! Have a Grwat TWU Day!!!!!!

 

[Thrustfuljet]

Quote by twuer

Concessions were voted on Bob. Can I curse those before me for their vote? No I can't

TWUER:

What do you have to say about those Tech Services guys that voted down the contract in Tulsa and got told by the TWU they were going to accept the contract anyways?

I repeat they voted DOWN the contract and told they would be accepting it anyways!!!

Guess my question was a tuff one I got no answer!!!

 

[Fly]

Wow! Sounds like that happened to the flight attendants last year too

 

[Hopeful]

Informer, the majority of the time when you open your mouth! You even admit you can't or are incapable of repreenting anyone! What was your last theory? 49.9% or was it 100%? Your lie so much it is hard to keep track?

Become Informed and the wise choice will be the TWU! Have a Grwat TWU Day!!!!!!

March 31, 2003







James C. Little

Administrative Vice President, Air Transport Division

Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO

1791 Hurstview Dr.

Hurst, Texas 76054





Re: Summary of the 2003 Contract changes



This will confirm our understanding reached during the negotiations leading up to the agreement signed on (DOS), 2003. During these negotiations, we discussed many changes intended to achieve sustained long-term financial relief from the current provisions of the TWU labor agreements. This letter is intended to recap the majority of the agreed upon changes. Changes are listed by Title groups: I (Mechanics and Related), II (Facilities, Automotive, Cabin Cleaners, Utility and Building Cleaners), III (Fleet Service), IV (Fuelers), V (Stock Clerks), T/S (Technical Specials), Disp (Dispatch), Metro (Meteorologists), Sim Techs (Simulator Technicians) and Instrs (Ground School and Pilot Instructors).



Pay Related

Effective May 1, 2003:

§ Base wage pay reduction, varying percentages (all groups)

§ Elimination of all longevity pay(I & II)

§ Modified longevity pay, start after 17 years, current rates (III, IV, V,T/S)

§ Reduced Sim Tech Coordinator premium by $.75/hour

§ Reduced Sim Tech Skill pay to $.10/hour

§ Reduced Pilot Simulator Instructors premium to $10.00/month

§ Reduced Ground School/Pilot Simulator Instructors standardization coordinator pay to $150.00/month

§ Reduced Pilot/Simulator Instructors work unit experience premium

§ Modified shift differential to $.01, $.02, $.03 (I, II, III, V, T/S, Sim Techs)

§ Elimination of weekend differential (I, II, V, at AFW, TUL, MCI)

§ Elimination of midnight skill retention premium (Sim Techs)

§ Training pay at straight time for off shift and day off (I, II)

§ Elimination of penalty lunch payment (I, II, III, IV, V)

§ Elimination of OT meal allowance (I, II, III, IV, V, T/S)

§ Penalty hours pay for actual time worked @ 1.5x (I, II, III, IV, V, T/S)

§ Reduce OT rate from 2x to 1.5x (I, II, III, IV, V)

§ Work 40 hrs to reach OT rate for day off overtime (III, V)

§ Elimination of debrief pay (T/S)

§ Elimination of Stock Clerk driver premium

§ Elimination of AMT premiums when displacing OSM employee

§ Elimination of Early Call-In guarantees (I, II, III, IV)

§ Elimination of short turn penalty due to shift bids (Art 21 d) (III, IV)

§ Elimination of CC premium when not working as CC (III,V)







Work Rules/ Other changes and effective dates:

Effective April 15, 2003:

§ Combine Systems/Structures into Generals (Title I)

§ Added 7 day labor loan provision (Bases only)

§ Increased AMT productivity through multiple work assignments/training

§ Holidays reduced from 10 to 5. The five (5) observed holidays will be: New Year’s Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day (all groups)

o Holidays- 5 days with roll @ 1.5x (I, II, III, IV, V, T/S, Sim Techs)

o Holidays- 5 days (no roll) @ 1.5x (Disp, Metro, Instrs)



Effective May 1, 2003


§ Reduce annual SK accrual to 5 days @ 100% (all except I & II)

§ Reduce annual SK accrual to 5 days, 1st two at 50% (I & II)



Effective May 3, 2003

§ 4/10s at Overhaul docks/TUL, duration of agreement

Effective within sixty (60) days of ratification:

§ Outsource RON/Ultraclean (II/III)

§ One time System protection credit for headcount reductions realized from work rule changes (all groups except Metro)



Effective thirty (30) days from ratification:



§ Reduce uniform provisioning and eliminate laundering (I, II, III, IV, V)

§ Outsource stores function at HDQ (6 Stock Clerks)

§ Relocate 4 Stock Clerks at ORD/GEM to ORD/M & E hanger



Effective as soon as practicable after DOS:

§ Change work schedule to 5 on, 2 off (T/S)

§ Reduced VC accrual one week (all groups)

§ Modify Crew Chief ratios:

AMT- 1:11.5

FSC- 1:9

Fuelers- eliminated ratio

Stores- 1:12

Benefits:

§ Medical & Dental plan modifications (all groups) Effective 1/1/04



§ SLOA Benefit Coverage reduced from 24 to12 months (all groups)

Effective 5/01/03



§ Eliminate STD Plan (all groups) Effective 1/1/04



§ Discontinue subsidized medical benefits RIF’d employees (all groups)

Effective 4/15/03





§ Modify IOD to 10 days (all groups) Effective 5/01/03 with the following transition:



o If the injury was incurred prior to 4/15/03, remaining applicable salary continuation through the end of the month up to the current 80 days

o If the injury is incurred on 4/15/03 or before 4/30/03, salary continuation for 10 days up to the current 80 days

o If the injury is incurred after 5/01/03, salary continuation for 10 days



Sincerely,










James B. Weel

Managing Director

Employee Relations



Agreed to this date:



________________________________

James C Little

Transport Workers Union, AFL-CIO


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[j7915]

FEAR, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR,

The boogie man is under the bed.

FEAR, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR,

The boogie man is under the bed.

FEAR, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR,

The boogie man, the boogie man, the boogie man.

You guys make me sick. You are nothing more than a bunch of fear mongers thriving and surviving on fear.

After UAL, and several other major carriers over the years. Several major corporations going BK, you really wanted to play Jim Dean and race to the cliff?

Not to forget the covenants with major lenders: AMR had to have a certain amount of cash on hand, and that money was rapidly running out.

If major banks were willing to let Swissair go under because they were late, by a few hours, in filing papers with their lenders, how much support would AMR have gotten?

As to the point that overhaul would have bumped the line, why should AMFA care, either way they would get a set amount of dues money per months. I wonder how much attrition Delle &Co are planning on? Instead of 16k new members maybe only 8k? THe rest will be at MRO shop, AKA the late AA overhaul bases located in RTW states.

 

[TWU informer]

After UAL, and several other major carriers over the years. Several major corporations going BK, you really wanted to play Jim Dean and race to the cliff?

Not to forget the covenants with major lenders: AMR had to have a certain amount of cash on hand, and that money was rapidly running out.

If major banks were willing to let Swissair go under because they were late, by a few hours, in filing papers with their lenders, how much support would AMR have gotten?

As to the point that overhaul would have bumped the line, why should AMFA care, either way they would get a set amount of dues money per months. I wonder how much attrition Delle &Co are planning on? Instead of 16k new members maybe only 8k? THe rest will be at MRO shop, AKA the late AA overhaul bases located in RTW states.

j7915,

If the cash was really running out as you claim, and there have been no profits to speak of, then where did the money come from to take delivery of 42 RJ's for Eagle this year, and the bid of $310 Million for USAir Shuttle?

I think an independent review, instead of ECLAT company finance firm is on order.

Why did the TWU hire the same firm (ECLAT) that AMR was using anyway?

 

[Johnny Lunchbox]

Hopeful, you're like a broken record man. Want some peanut butter? h34r:

 

[High Speed Steel]

Hey Johnny Lunchbox, I am afraid that Hopeful may have taken my advice from the other day. He may have pulled his bottom lip over his head and swallowed...!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

 

[RUM@AA]

So where the hell is this alleged letter from Delle? This thread from the TWU stooges is nothing but hearsay.
I happen to have a letter from "Checking it out" to Sonny Hall pledging his support of the Communist Party of America. Want to see it? Too bad. I have it and thats that. You'll just have to believe me.

"I pledge allegence to the memory of Karl Marx" Checking it out

 

[twuer]

Quote by twuer








TWUER:

What do you have to say about those Tech Services guys that voted down the contract in Tulsa and got told by the TWU they were going to accept the contract anyways?

I repeat they voted DOWN the contract and told they would be accepting it anyways!!!

Guess my question was a tuff one I got no answer!!!

Read the President's Council negotiating bylaws Thrustful. I don't care what you claim Jim Little said, I know what the bylaws say. Which is that the tech specialists because they were part of joint negotiations were subject to the vote of the aggregate group. Which means their vote was just a small part of a larger vote. The bylaws are available in their entirety on the ATD website. I suggest you take the time to read them. Because all the presidents across the system had that responsibility and no one man not even Jim Little can change them alone.

 

[twuer]

So where the hell is this alleged letter from Delle? This thread from the TWU stooges is nothing but hearsay.
I happen to have a letter from "Checking it out" to Sonny Hall pledging his support of the Communist Party of America. Want to see it? Too bad. I have it and thats that. You'll just have to believe me.

"I pledge allegence to the memory of Karl Marx" Checking it out

I got your heresay Rum. Right here in my hand. Be sure to check back in a day or so because it WILL be posted!! Better yet, why don't you get a copy from Delle. Surely he wouldn't lie about it.


Still noone coming to the defense of the almighty amfa leader. Wonder why???????

 

[RUM@AA]

A friend of a friend's friend sent me a copy of an e-mail from Sonny Hall to Don Carty, here it is:

Don,
Jim and I just wanted to say thanks for the cash. Hope $1Mil each wasn't too much. Those saps in Tulsa will buy anything. Re-vote my ass. Ha Ha Ha.
Hey, don't forget our Thursday night poker game. This week we'll meet at the DFW Hooters, next week at JFK.
We're really looking forward to 2006. Tell Gerard to start stashing the cash. HA HA HA.
Your Pal,
Sonny

 

[Bob Owens]

Read the President's Council negotiating bylaws Thrustful. I don't care what you claim Jim Little said, I know what the bylaws say. Which is that the tech specialists because they were part of joint negotiations were subject to the vote of the aggregate group. Which means their vote was just a small part of a larger vote. The bylaws are available in their entirety on the ATD website. I suggest you take the time to read them. Because all the presidents across the system had that responsibility and no one man not even Jim Little can change them alone.

Wrong again TWUEr, and you shoiuld know better. The fact is that Jim Little and /or Sonny Hall can dissolve the Presidents council and their Bylaws if he so chooses. Tell me where in the TWU Constitution the Presidents council has authority over The ATD Director.

In fact this was established up in Boston a few years back. The Presidents council is merely a "fluffer" for the International.

 

[TWU informer]

If you want to get real technical, the Presidents Council By-Laws are NOT on file with the Department of Labor, and therefore in legal terms could be declared unenforceable.

In fact, I have a legal opinion regarding the 1995 TWU Contract Ratification Problems, and this attorney declared that the Presidents Council could not be added as a proper party defendent in any legal action.

The Presidents Council is nothing more than a scape goat for the TWU International, and the council by-laws are unenforceable within the court system by the membership.