AA Applies For LAX-GDL, MIA-MTY

[LD3]

 

what you and others don't want to admit is that AA's strong position in so many other parts of its network make it a whole lot harder for AA to push into highly competitive markets such as in LAX without AA not seeing increased competition in key markets elsewhere on its network.

 
That is one dumb statement.... Go start a hub in DFW, oh wait, you tried that already...

 

[Kev3188]

Cute puppy!

 

[MAH4546]

Delta has no more gate space at LAX. Deal with it. It's pretty sad how desperate some are to believe otherwise. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

and yet DL keeps adding flights.

Somehow they didn't get the message.

further, the notion that AA will gain an advantage in the LAX local market has not materialized.

for now, their growth in the LAX market is attributable to the merger while DL has continued to grow faster than any other carrier and has passed PMAA in size at LAX. given that DL also has returned to having an average fare advantage over AA even though AA dropped a bunch of coach capacity to JFK and DL has added Intrawest flying which has lower average fares, the average fare advantage which AA should have is simply not there.

when AA gains an advantage and doesn't lose it elsewhere on its network, I'll be happy to give them credit.

 

[commavia]

“Refine Los Angeles hub with completion of schedule build-out and facility upgrades.” (emphasis mine)
-- Delta Air Lines, 11 December 2014
 
Notice how Delta itself refers to the "completion" of the schedule build-out and the "upgrade," rather than "expansion" of its LAX facilities?  Perhaps Delta knows something about its realistic prospects for more gates - at least conveniently located to its existing operation - at LAX?

 

[robbedagain]

bs  you never give any other air carrier any credit no matter what.   you only give your pro dl bs crap     then when folks post positive things about airlines other than dl you blast it and in some cases  the posters themselves   go seek pro help bec you really need it

 

[WorldTraveler]

“Refine Los Angeles hub with completion of schedule build-out and facility upgrades.” (emphasis mine)
-- Delta Air Lines, 11 December 2014
 
Notice how Delta itself refers to the "completion" of the schedule build-out and the "upgrade," rather than "expansion" of its LAX facilities?  Perhaps Delta knows something about its realistic prospects for more gates - at least conveniently located to its existing operation - at LAX?

the upgrade is of FACILITIES, not the schedule.

Until DL operates an all mainline operation with the largest aircraft that the facility can handle and carries only local passengers - no connections - the buildout is not done.

and given that a number of major AA markets such as DFW-LAX have no mainline and MIA-LAX has a minimal presence, DL does have room to grow into AA's top markets by adding a very few additional flights.

and again, you keep trying to argue that if AA has enough gates they can gain a market advantage - so just let me know when that actually BEGINS to happen. AA and DL largely serve the same major markets... each being somewhat stronger in some vs. others. All AA has that DL doesn't is a whole lot more destinations to smaller destinations that simply aren't going to move the local market. And in order for AA to push into major markets like DL hubs, they will give up share in other markets whether it be by DL or other carriers.

You also have repeatedly missed that DL execs have also publicly said that they could pursue other strategic transactions to grow LAX if they believed it was warranted.

right now, a 160-175 flight/day operation with one of the highest average number of seats per departure outside of ATL is working very well for what DL needs to do at LAX.

and your biggest error continues to be in saying that DL and UA will back off and let AA grow at LAX because AA needs a west coast gateway more than the other two do since they have SFO and SEA.

I can't tell you what UA will do but I can tell you that DL will not back off of its position in LAX and will continue to grow to the maximum regardless of how much you think they will or should stop growing.

 

[commavia]

So I guess we'll all just have to wait for Delta to operate six daily 747s LAX-SAN or nine daily 777s LAX-LAS, then we'll know that we've reached the "completion" of the LAX schedule build-out.  Hopefully we won't have to wait so long for Delta to take over MIA-South America, or "win" in "N. Texas," or for Gadot.

 

[WorldTraveler]

whether widebodies show up on intra-California flights or not, DL has a whole lot more growth potential at LAX than you or a lot of people give them credit for.

unlike your perception of the world, DL embraces competition and doesn't need to "take over" MIA-S. America but I can bet that they will have a decent-sized presence that is focused on the local market as well as a number of top US markets which DL hasn't served or done so on a very limited basis.

 

[Kev3188]

or for Gadot.

That was worked in nicely...

 

[WorldTraveler]

but, of course, adds nothing of substance to the conversation, just like you and commavia.

when your focus is on looking for a means to get in a zinger, why would anyone expect you to be able to contribute to a conversation that is about something that is pretty concrete.

DL is not short of anything at LAX.

And DL is not giving up anything at LAX because AA NEEDS a west coast gateway to Asia MORE than other carriers do.

It's tough and hardly DL or UA"s concern that AA failed to make the right strategic decisions years ago.

 

[commavia]

Delta is "not short of anything at LAX" ... except gates.  Thus why Delta itself - not two months ago - publicly contemplated the coming "completion" of, rather than the "continuation" of, its "schedule build-out" at LAX.
 
It is notable how, by contrast, AA management has made no such pronouncements about the "completion" of virtually anything at LAX - except perhaps for the completion of a new sterile connector linking AA's T4 with its new gates in TBIT - and in fact continues to talk publicly about continued build-out of both flights and seats, new routes to Asia, etc.
 
Ah, reality.

 

[silverbird007]

WT don't go away angry! Just go away! Did you used to live under bridges before the internet? You seem to be so angry! Is AA that much of a threat to your delusions? Maybe a couple of Xanax every 2 hours might help! Anyway good luck! There's support groups out there I'm sure!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Delta is "not short of anything at LAX" ... except gates.  Thus why Delta itself - not two months ago - publicly contemplated the coming "completion" of, rather than the "continuation" of, its "schedule build-out" at LAX.
 
It is notable how, by contrast, AA management has made no such pronouncements about the "completion" of virtually anything at LAX - except perhaps for the completion of a new sterile connector linking AA's T4 with its new gates in TBIT - and in fact continues to talk publicly about continued build-out of both flights and seats, new routes to Asia, etc.
 
Ah, reality.

in YOUR world, and only in your world, you see DL short of gates and that means that they will have to stop growing.

Yet you can't accept that DL still has significant room to by upgauging which is exactly what they are doing in key LAX west coast markets.

DL already is on par with UA as having the largest number of frequencies on LAX-SFO. With its upgrade to half of the flights on 717s, DL is ahead of AA in terms of total seats and flights and similar to WN and VX in terms of total seats - but ahead on frequencies. given the certain upgrade of the rest of the LAX-SFO flights to 717s, DL will be the solid #2 airline in the LAX-SFO market behind UA.

the same thing is happening with LAX-SEA and PDX, markets that AA can't enter without stepping on AS which it seems to want to protect. the same thing is happening with Mexico.

AA is not limited by the number of gates at LAX but rather by its need to not do to AS exactly what DL has done that is supposedly so harmful to the AS- DL relationship which is adding seats in key AS markets.

instead, AA's difference in size over DL is in flying to smaller cities like OKC that do not and will not move the needle in LAX.

DL has a large enough size at LAX to serve the largest and most competitive markets on a competitive basis including the number 1 or 2 position in top markets. DL maximizes its gates by having a larger number of seats per departure and a higher percentage of local passengers per flight than AA.

AA has yet to show that having more gates is creating a larger presence in the local market either in terms of number of passengers or average fare.

and DL is not going to walk away from a single LAX market because AA needs a west coast to Asia gateway because they don't have another one elsewhere.

 

[LD3]

 

unlike your perception of the world, DL embraces competition

Is that why DL is paying their lawyers to keep a little airline out of Paulding Cty??