AA Applies For LAX-GDL, MIA-MTY

[WorldTraveler]

nope.

no one said that AA should leave Mexico

it does mean that AA's attempts to move into carrier key markets will be met by increased service by those same carriers in AA's key markets.

I don't expect you will ever admit it but AA's network strategy was built around some of the biggest markets that are also monopoly markets.

it is far easier for someone else to push themselves into AA's markets than it is for AA to push into other carrier markets which are already more competitive.

 

[jcw]

so what you are saying is DL picked so many bad markets to begin with it's easier for them to move into AA markets - how do you make this stuff up

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, it means that you do such a horrible job of manipulating what other people say that it is laughable.

DL built its network around its hubs - from which it has a higher percentage of the traffic.


DL has built its market in cities like LAX based on the strength of its hubs.

DL has demonstrated that it does better than AA in cities like LAX which is why DL can add service and generate higher revenues than AA.

kinda sucks to be in your shoes but AA couldn't defend its presence in the NYCs of the world and is watching its presence in other markets like LAX fall as well. When was AA NOT the largest airline in the JFK-LAX market? until they implemented a poorly conceived strategy of using 321Ts on the transcons... that is when.

Just like in NYC, AA's presence in other key markets from LAX will follow. We are seeing AA's share in DFW fall as we speak.

 

[jcw]

Ok let's not let the good facts get in the way - let's look at the hubs setup by each airline and how many hubs were closed - I'm going to look at this pre merger for both airlines (meaning NW and US) just so we can see the long term strategy deployed years ago and see how they held up over time.
 
AA had hubs at:
DFW, ORD, NYC, LAX, MIA, RDU, BNA, STL, SJC, SJU
 
AA closed:  RDU, BNA, STL, SJC, SJU - that is 5 closures
 
DL had hubs at:
ATL, ORD, DFW, FRA, MEM, MCO, CVG, NYC, LAX, SLC
 
DL closed:  ORD, DFW, FRA, MEM, MCO, CVG - that is 6 closures - please note DL had a hub at MEM before NW purchase and had shut it down prior to the NW acquisition
 
So AA has 50% of it's original hubs vs DL has 40% of it's original hubs
 
so your right American has done a better job seeking out places people want to fly and DL is trying to catch up

 

[commavia]

Just like how Delta's attempts to move into AA's "key markets" has been met with "increased service" - kind of like the fourth daily (with BA) LAX-LHR and PHL-LHR, the second daily LAX-RDU, etc.?  Amazing how we all have to be constantly reminded via these rambling recitations that other carriers can and will respond to AA growth, but never hear quite the same spin when the carrier moving into a rival's "key market" is AA - especially when the "key rival" is glorious Delta (cough, LGA-ATL, cough, LAX-ATL, cough).
 
Once again - good for Delta that they're responding to competitive moves by rivals, expanding capacity and broadening their network.  Congratulations.  Meanwhile, so is AA.  And contrary to non-popular (actually, just one person) belief, AA's freedom of motion with which to respond to competitive threats is actually increasing, not decreasing, as it continues to leverage the synergies of its now-massive combined network, gain cost and operational clarity on joint union contracts, and improve its balance sheet.
 
Fear, fear, fear.

 

[MAH4546]

no, it means that you do such a horrible job of manipulating what other people say that it is laughable.

DL built its network around its hubs - from which it has a higher percentage of the traffic.


DL has built its market in cities like LAX based on the strength of its hubs.

DL has demonstrated that it does better than AA in cities like LAX which is why DL can add service and generate higher revenues than AA.

kinda sucks to be in your shoes but AA couldn't defend its presence in the NYCs of the world and is watching its presence in other markets like LAX fall as well. When was AA NOT the largest airline in the JFK-LAX market? until they implemented a poorly conceived strategy of using 321Ts on the transcons... that is when.

Just like in NYC, AA's presence in other key markets from LAX will follow. We are seeing AA's share in DFW fall as we speak.

 
Facts still bother you, don't they?

AA is the largest airline at LAX.
 
AA carries the largest local amount of passenger traffic from LAX.
 
AA carries the largest share of revenue from LAX.

 

[LDVAviation]

 
 
Hey AA version of WT, can you keep you (poor) attempts at a pissing contest at a minimum or over on anet where you fit in better? Thanks.  (oh and try to understand what I said.) 

 
 
Translation:  You don't like being reminded of the fact that your claims about a Terminal 9 and LAWA having to make a deal with Delta were BS.  You only have a problem with pissing contests when you aren't the one pissing on yourself.

 

[WorldTraveler]

when AA actually gains all the gates that you say they will and no other carrier has or will, then you can crow.

so far that is nowhere near reality.

actually, when AA uses all of those gates to translate into higher local market revenue that is higher than what other carriers do, then you really can crow.

Despite hearing for several years that DL was out of space, DL has added more capacity this summer than AA on a percentage basis.

and again, AA is the largest carrier at LAX SOLELY BECAUSE OF THE MERGER. DL is larger than PMAA.

and commavia, as much it bothers you to have to list all of the markets, do you see one common thread in the AA markets that DL has entered vs. the other way around?

Nearly all of the AA markets were monopoly markets while the DL markets are already competitive. As weak as WN is, they will take proportionately more share than AA will even in markets like AT-LGA and ATL-LAx where they do have enough flights to be a viable competitor - unlike some other markets.

PHL-LHR, MIA-LAX and more are markets where AA has or had a monopoly and where it will be easier for DL to take a share of AA's market than it will be for AA to do the same in DL markets.

And AA's share of the N. Texas market will show significant loss of share... I would guess at least 15%.

I'm not sure when DL ever called ORD a hub but it certainly didn't happen anywhere close to the same era when CVG, DTW, or MSP also existed as hubs, let alone SLC.

and counting the number of hubs means nothing when you continue to ignore the fact that DL has a higher share of the local market in its hubs than AA does. DFW and MIA are AA's last holdouts and DFW is falling fast.

as much as you and others continue to talk about the value of Chicago as a hub, DL gets more revenue from either DTW or MSP than AA does from ORD - and DL has BOTH DTW and MSP.

AA is well on track to being in the same place that AA is in where it has low levels of market share in its hubs compared to DL and in the past AA.

the fear comes from those who refuse to acknowledge that the world has changed and it is not for the better for AA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

looks like AA has gotten smart and decided to leave CMH-LAX

 

[FWAAA]

looks like AA has gotten smart and decided to leave CMH-LAX

Huh? Weeks ago it was announced that US metal would fly LAX-CMH double-daily this summer. My schedule shows double daily A319s.

 

[Hope777]

Huh? Weeks ago it was announced that US metal would fly LAX-CMH double-daily this summer. My schedule shows double daily A319s.

Please....  Lets not use FACTS to prove the Fraud wrong !

 

[700UW]

And US is adding CLT-ABQ this June and CLT-MEX in Sep.

 

[Hope777]

US has been in and out of the CLT-MEX several times

 

[700UW]

Yep I use to work International in CLT.

 

[Hope777]

even ran TPA-MEX at one point