AA Applies For LAX-GDL, MIA-MTY

[WorldTraveler]

yes, you do have a lot of it.

again, why is it so hard for you to admit that the same JV advantage that AA has had with BA is now DL's advantage in Mexico?

 

[UPNAWAY]

And now AS is giving AA it's LAX to MEX authority, certianly firing a shot acroos the Delta bow!

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

you managed to pick out a date in an offpeak month on a day of the week.

and since this topic is about LAX and MIA, AA still comes up well short of DL from LAX to Mexico while AA clearly is the largest carrier from MIA.
 

 
Can't admit a mistake and walk away with some dignity.
 
Also, has to attempt to change/deflect the subject to take the spotlight away from his stupidity.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

And now AS is giving AA it's LAX to MEX authority, certianly firing a shot acroos the Delta bow!

no it is not.

DL can and likely will get the same authority 6 months later with Open Skies.

AS is leaving the market. It just makes it easier for DL to succeed.

AM already has the largest number of seats in the market and when DL adds it AA will be fairly small player in a market that AM and DL really do dominate

 

[mistified]

I think WT point is being missed here.
The metrics being used to measure the LAX market to MEX are not apples to apples.
Instead its hard to make the comparison between AA and DAL because of these different metrics.
When downsizing and upgrading different routes and depending on the time of year involved, its apparent that DAL is generating the highest revenue in this time frame when making a strict apples to apples comparison. And when one considers the ramifications of OS on this issue its also apparent that any perceived advantage a competitor might have over them is offset by the metrics involved and the time frame the metrics were used.  The operating efficiencies involved and the time frame in which they are implemented is a very complicated ensemble to disseminate. This being the case I would have to agree that there is no clear advantage anywhere to be extrapolated along the revenue stream to Mexico. Only those airlines that understand this will be successful in the future going to Mexico. And this especially holds true in the LAX MEX market.
Same holds  true for the ensemble of possibilities going to Latin America out of MIA. Except there the progress of the metrics which push the revenue stream toward the MS model will provide the best prediction going forward in that market alone.

 

[WorldTraveler]

mystified is way too generous of a username.

 

[eolesen]

I thought that TAM was a larger airline than GOL.

Yep, even if you just look at JJ metal vs. JJ+LA.

I'll see if I can pull some stats on that and also some monthly seat counts for US-Mexico. Trying to do just a day of week comparison there is misleading because of all the weekend-only services that pop up now and then.

 

[WorldTraveler]

we've had this discussion before. no need to pull it up.

JJ offers more ASMs because it is a longer haul int'l airline.

G3 is the largest based on seats and flights. JJ offers more ASMs.

given the statistics that commavia was quoting (and that is a relatively accurate measurement given flight distances to Mexico are fairly constant for all carriers) then the comparison of seats and flights is more appropriate.

 

[MAH4546]

So not only is there denial that the JAL-AA JBA includes China, but now denial that AA is the largest carrier in the U.S.-Mexico market? And that leadership will only grow as AA starts expanding significantly in the LA-Mexico market. MEX and GDL are just the start.

 

[eolesen]

G3 exceeds JJ on domestic ASMs, but only by 0.4% despite operating almost 1000 more departures per week.

That's less than half a percent, for those who are math challenged.

US-MX is a little clearer, and CAPA may indeed be wrong if I didn't screw up the calculations...

Looking at a full week for March, UA's the market leader on ASM's by 3%, and by departures by 7%.

If you combine DL & AM, they'd be #1 unless either UA or AA signed a JV with Volaris.
 

Cxr     ASMs            Ops
UA	85631888	628
AA	83353075	584
DL	69730277	341
AM	60252138	327
AS	31286055	138
Y4	26603370	133
WN	16788088	88
SY	14405445	53
F9	13721406	61

 

[WorldTraveler]

thank you, E.

and as noted, AA and UA are both strong to Mexico. The DL-AM JV will combine DL's strength from DL's hubs with AM's presence in major markets.

Like DL-AF/KL and unlike DL-VS, the AM JV will give DL the incentive to codeshare on routings from the USA to other points in Latin America and help challenge AA and UA's strength in the central and southwest US to Mexico and Latin America.

DL pushes WAY more traffic thru CDG and AMS than what those cities otherwise would generate on a local market basis precisely because of the flow potential over those hubs. MEX will be the same story - just as Copa does over PTY.

 

[mistified]

mystified is way too generous of a username.

 
Please explain I'm not sure I follow what you mean ?
 
mystified (if you prefer!)

 

[eolesen]

Please explain I'm not sure I follow what you mean ?
 
mystified (if you prefer!)

It's called someone with a terminal case of internet courage inferring that your screen name confirms you're just one or two steps removed from being entirely clueless.

 

[WorldTraveler]

in this case, it means that someone has a clue about what is going on in the industry and it isn't the one who is mystified.

specific to this topic, it means that AA will face more and more competition in the Mexico market and AA's desires to grow its presence in other markets will be matched on at least a one for one basis by market additions by other carriers.

 

[jcw]

Yes AA should exit Mexico immediately AA is the only airline facing any competition - moderators could you indicate on every thread on the AA site that AA is the only airline that won't be successful

Also have it automatically indicate that no matter what it does DL will do it better and AA is doomed company - by stipulating this up front we can focus on the moves AA is making without every thread being about AA failures and how it will never be as good as DL