AA/APFA Negotiations

[fltguymk]

no, JW was the President. LG led the "team".

Please! Like JW was not participating...... He was the President and and responsible.

 

[FWAAA]

Well if thats the case, AA can easily write a check and settle matters once and for all and begin/resume service. In all honesty, I prefer BA to CO, DL, and LY since I can take wide bodies with international J the entire way whereas the others require a trip to JFK/EWR on narrow body or regional jet service. I assume AA could side step this by having BA operate a flight US-TLV with BA crews, BA metal but simply codeshare on the route.

Yes, AA could easily write a check to make the TLV problems go away and clear the way for AA metal to fly there. Remember, though, that AA has shown no interest in doing so for almost a decade now, and I don't see that changing anytime soon, but I've been wrong before.

If you prefer BA, why the obsession with AA metal to TLV? Upgrade potential?

 

[eolesen]

What does any of that have to do with the APFA?

Seriously, if we have to re-live events from ten years ago, set up a new thread. While some people no problem re-opening old wounds, I don't think it's doing any good for those who have accepted the fact they got screwed and moved on.

 

[Deleted member 17588]

AND one more thing, every contact that we have had in the last 20 years has had retro pay and this contract will be no different. The APFA will not agree and reward the company with dragging its feet.

I sure hope you're right. I for one have absolutely no intention of voting "yes" on any contract, no matter how good it is, unless it includes retro pay. I'm really having my doubts, though. I think that's why AA is advertising a signing bonus in their literAAture. I'd rather have retro pay.

 

[737823]

Yes, AA could easily write a check to make the TLV problems go away and clear the way for AA metal to fly there. Remember, though, that AA has shown no interest in doing so for almost a decade now, and I don't see that changing anytime soon, but I've been wrong before.

If you prefer BA, why the obsession with AA metal to TLV? Upgrade potential?

Upgrades using my eVIPs would be nice but it would be nice to have additional capacity to TLV. I sometimes need to travel on short notice, and were AA metal to serve TLV I could redeem an AAnytime award while OW/Partner awards do not allow. It seems MIA would be a good option for AA since LY can't resume the route due to the Category II status with the FAA. Personally, I'd like to see JFK & MIA; LAX is covered by LY; ORD was a weak performer; DFW has zero chance.

Josh

 

[Deleted member 17588]

Upgrades using my eVIPs would be nice but it would be nice to have additional capacity to TLV. I sometimes need to travel on short notice, and were AA metal to serve TLV I could redeem an AAnytime award while OW/Partner awards do not allow. It seems MIA would be a good option for AA since LY can't resume the route due to the Category II status with the FAA. Personally, I'd like to see JFK & MIA; LAX is covered by LY; ORD was a weak performer; DFW has zero chance.

Josh

Geez-O-Golly!!!! Why can't the flight attendants have a discussion on this board without having to wade through mountains of unrelated garbage that have absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic? Why does every thread have to be hijacked in such a selfish and "it's-all-about-me" manner? If you need to fly somewhere and the AA schedule just doesn't meet your ever-changing and self-serving needs, then hire a friggin' private plane.

 

[jersey777]

Geez-O-Golly!!!! Why can't the flight attendants have a discussion on this board without having to wade through mountains of unrelated garbage that have absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic? Why does every thread have to be hijacked in such a selfish and "it's-all-about-me" manner? If you need to fly somewhere and the AA schedule just doesn't meet your ever-changing and self-serving needs, then hire a friggin' private plane.

Amen. Isn't there a whole website designated for those that want to droll on about their frequent flyer status called Flyertalk?

 

[jersey777]

Amen. Isn't there a whole website designated for those that want to droll on about their frequent flyer status called Flyertalk?

I meant "drone on". Thats what you get when you type at 4am on a Paris layover.

 

[jersey777]

http://www.apfa.org/images/negotiations/tall_tales2.pdf



Here is a rebuttal from the APFA to the companies contention that they are "moving toward the APFA on a number of items." Sorry, the devil is in the details. Don't you just hate how the APFA calls you up on your proposals?

 

[gasman]

Why must every topic contain a debate about TWA? This topic is about CURRENT apfa negotiations and skymess nailed the facts in her post. This site is worthless as long is it continues to allow every post to devolve into another rehashing of what twa didn't have/believes they had prior/post acquisition.

Moderater,
Please request the username above "sickoftwa" to delete the choice of usernames. This is very offensive towards the former TWA employees. This could be considered a hostile threat and falls under Americans RULE 32 policy.

 

[Deleted member 17588]

Moderater,
Please request the username above "sickoftwa" to delete the choice of usernames. This is very offensive towards the former TWA employees. This could be considered a hostile threat and falls under Americans RULE 32 policy.

How about "sickofthetwabeatingadeadhorsedebate" as a replacement username?

 

[gasman]

How about "sickofthetwabeatingadeadorsedebate" as a replacement username?

Juniority,

You can be added to the RULE 32 as well.

 

[sickoftwa]

Moderater,
Please request the username above "sickoftwa" to delete the choice of usernames. This is very offensive towards the former TWA employees. This could be considered a hostile threat and falls under Americans RULE 32 policy.

Sorry but my choice of user name does not violate rule 32 nor is there any hostile threat. It simply reflects a continual hijacking of most threads returning to beat a dead airline and how it's death occurred.

 

[gasman]

Sorry but my choice of user name does not violate rule 32 nor is there any hostile threat. It simply reflects a continual hijacking of most threads returning to beat a dead airline and how it's death occurred.

I guess we can ask HR.

 

[777flyer]

Moderation isn't the problem here -- under the old regime, the thread would have been closed, half of us would have been sent to the cornfield, and questions would have stayed unanswered.

Instead, there's been some good factual information shared, and maybe that will stave off perpetuating misinformation whenever the topic comes up. Or maybe it will answer the question and it won't come up again (hope springs eternal, but April 2011 is quickly approaching).

Between a choice of thread drift and conversation being stifled, I'll take "Occasional Thread Drift for $600, Alex"...

But do I agree -- this has gone way off topic. No more about TWA from me on this thread.

E, you actually started the TWA rehash with this quote:
>Search the archives if you want to rehash all that, but it was not a merger. AA simply bought assets at a fire sale. <

If you had just said "search the archives if you want to rehash all that" and left it at that, it would have been good. Instead you continued on with your opinion about it not being a merger and was a fire sale, and there are many here who don't share that opinion and won't let it pass without adding their own opinion.