AA adds second daily LAX-LHR

[jcw]

push over the edge?

doubtful.

it does show that AA is willing to flood the market with capacity in order to keep a competitors out of the market - all the time complaining about increased competitive capacity.

AA is clearly threatened by the fact that DL is narrowing the difference in average fares with AA every quarter.

This is precisely the competitive environment that I said AA was entering... LHR, Latin America, DFW... you name it.

AA will be the one that is hurt the most by their perceived need to keep competitors out of their markets instead of being able to compete and win.

 
So DL adds a flight to the market and that's not flooding it with capacity - it's amazing the double standards you have - if that's the case then why did DL flood the market first?

 

[WorldTraveler]

 
 

WT the DL 763 is a pathetic product for this market. No wonder they aren't selling BE and the seats are going to non-revs like yourself!

Josh

if the product was pathetic, then how come DL has higher or equal average fares on a number of 767 flights where AA operates 777s?

and, yes, if DL's product is inferior, then why does AA feel the need to add capacity to the market?

the hypocrisy is that AA execs are arguing about the excess capacity that is being put into the TATL market, notably LHR, but they are adding more of their own.

AA's actions will bring down fares in the market.

it is AA that fears having a viable competitor in the market.... but then maybe they should be given that DL has continued to grow its presence in key AA markets.

You do realize that the high fare carrier on the LGA-ORD market is not AA and not UA but DL?

 

[MAH4546]

Blah blah blah.
 
This is simply AA/BA adding the fourth daily back after removing it (it used to be BA-operated) when the A380s were brought in summer 2013. 
 
If there's too much capacity in the market (and nine daily flights in this market isn't too much capacity), AA/BA, which dominates it, isn't going to be the one pulling it down. 
 
Love how when AA/BA adds a ninth daily flight in a 1100 PDEW market, it's "flooding capacity," but when VS/DL adds an eighth frequency in a 750 PDEW market (MIALON, which on Saturdays next winter will see two AA 77Ws, an AA 772, a BA 380, a BA 744, a BA 772, a VS 744 and a VS 333) it's perfectly cool.
 
But sure, let's make pretend it is all because AA is scared by Delta.

 

[Hope777]

push over the edge?

doubtful.

it does show that AA is willing to flood the market with capacity in order to keep a competitors out of the market - all the time complaining about increased competitive capacity.

AA is clearly threatened by the fact that DL is narrowing the difference in average fares with AA every quarter.

This is precisely the competitive environment that I said AA was entering... LHR, Latin America, DFW... you name it.

AA will be the one that is hurt the most by their perceived need to keep competitors out of their markets instead of being able to compete and win.

God YOU need Help!  Call EAP ASAP

 

[WorldTraveler]

then they can't complain about competitors adding capacity to the market. An A380 holds more seats than any other aircraft so the frequency is not the issue but the number of seats.

if it is good for the goose, it is good for the gander.

and it also doesn't change that DL has managed to reach average fare parity with AA on JFK-LHR and is reducing the average fare gap with AA every quarter.

if you are right that it is no big deal, then neither is to DL.

direct your comments to your AA fans or accept that it is AA that it is who is indeed flooding the market with seats.

it can't mean one thing in one direction (by one airline) but another in the opposite.

 

[jcw]

 
 

if the product was pathetic, then how come DL has higher or equal average fares on a number of 767 flights where AA operates 777s?

and, yes, if DL's product is inferior, then why does AA feel the need to add capacity to the market?

the hypocrisy is that AA execs are arguing about the excess capacity that is being put into the TATL market, notably LHR, but they are adding more of their own.

AA's actions will bring down fares in the market.

it is AA that fears having a viable competitor in the market.... but then maybe they should be given that DL has continued to grow its presence in key AA markets.

You do realize that the high fare carrier on the LGA-ORD market is not AA and not UA but DL?

 
translation - this is about LAX to LHR so we will pick a stat for LGA-ORD that has no relevance to this subject to try to confuse others and change the subject since it's DL flooding the market with capacity

 

[robbedagain]

DL is winning the West Coast... with SLC and now SEA!!!!!     and its not even too much but when AA or any other airline it is too much..   What a double standard clown 

 

[WorldTraveler]

translation - this is about LAX to LHR so we will pick a stat for LGA-ORD that has no relevance to this subject to try to confuse others and change the subject since it's DL flooding the market with capacity

good... we'll use LAX markets then.

I suppose you aren't interested in hearing that DL is now the largest airline in LAX-JFK as well as in LAX-MCO (which AA has flown for many years) plus LAX-SLC where AA has their token presence at lower average fares.

And of course it doesn't change that DL has managed to grow its presence in key NYC markets as well.

So, the real issue is that AA is willing to flood the LAX market with capacity in order to try to prevent DL from establishing itself in yet one more market when it is clear that DL has been quite successful in doing so in market after market.

 

[IORFA]

If possible can you not use WT's post in your replies? For the vast majority of us that have him on IGNORE, we are forced to see his drivel each time someone uses his posts in their reply. Thanks.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I think most here agree. Stop posting, "oh no, can't wait to see the spin on this one".

Yes, we can, and would rather not.

If all would stop the replies, it would end.

 

[WorldTraveler]

don't worry, Q.

WT could be in the middle of the Pacific ocean floating on a life raft and you and your ilk would manage to bring him into the discussion.

note that by the 3rd post in this thread, DL was mentioned and the vast majority of posts after than one referenced DL and/or WT.

YOU are your own worst enemies - and I couldn't be more thrilled to know that my impact is inescapable on this forum.

BTW, can someone explain how the premium airline in NYC gets lower average fares than DL or UA?

maybe someone should report AA to the California authorities for making a claim that is in fact contrary to published data.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

it does show that AA is willing to flood the market with capacity in order to keep a competitors out of the market - all the time complaining about increased competitive capacity.
 

What did DL to in JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO?
Or is that called "winning"?
 
 

 
if the product was pathetic, then how come DL has higher or equal average fares on a number of 767 flights where AA operates 777s?

You do realize that the high fare carrier on the LGA-ORD market is not AA and not UA but DL?

 
Can you provide some numbers, you know - real data to back up your claims?
It would add some credibility.  Right now all your statements might as well start of with "once upon a time" because they read like fairy tales.

 

[traderjake]

WT could be in the middle of the Pacific ocean floating on a life raft and you and your ilk would manage to bring him into the discussion.

YOU are your own worst enemies - and I couldn't be more thrilled to know that my impact is inescapable on this forum.
 

 

Thrilled by the fact that we're all laughing at you?
 
Whatever floats your boat.

 

[mistified]

IMHO
I think that one of the reasons AA is adding this flight is because they are in a somewhat unique position of having a number of wide body deliveries coming in for the foreseeable future. Therefore they have the opportunity to try different markets without pulling equipment off other routes.
Weather or not this new LHR route proves to be a good choice in the long run only time will tell.
Maybe there is a large cargo market between the two cities?
Either way all airlines have routes that don't produce and they continue to fly them for strategic reasons.
Delta, Untied or American all have there strengths and weaknesses in this regard.
And when you think about it it really does not matter who is on top in this regard. Because now as a whole, each one of them really are to big to fail!

So for a certain individual here I will tell you in advance that I really could give a **** who is doing better in this area.

Next....

 

[topDawg]

The DL 767 is a pathetic uncompetitive product seriously why even bother. Dumb on DLs part to remove a VS frequency who has a strong following in LA (and is well served by Virgin affiliate carriers) and bring the VS product to ATL & DTW where VS is not well known.

Josh

DL/VS will be 3x daily in the summer. 1x DL 2x VS. So the "loss" of frequency (which wasn't even daily FWIW) is for a few months. 
 

Effective March 28, 2015, AA will go double-daily year-round to London from LAX.
 
http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease/american-airlines-hollywood-heathrow-service
 
I'm hearing we will hear more about LAX expansion later this year with another big domestic push. 

only way it works is if AA puts a widget on the 77W. If not, Delta will run them off in a a few months. Delta will win. 
 
 
 
even if Delta were to dump LAX-LHR Delta stills wins.......cause its Delta. 
 

WT the DL 763 is a pathetic product for this market. No wonder they aren't selling BE and the seats are going to non-revs like yourself!

Josh

Josh you do have proof for this right? 
 
fighting stupid with stupid is no way to win. Just saying. 
 

Blah blah blah.
 
This is simply AA/BA adding the fourth daily back after removing it (it used to be BA-operated) when the A380s were brought in summer 2013. 
 
If there's too much capacity in the market (and nine daily flights in this market isn't too much capacity), AA/BA, which dominates it, isn't going to be the one pulling it down. 
 
Love how when AA/BA adds a ninth daily flight in a 1100 PDEW market, it's "flooding capacity," but when VS/DL adds an eighth frequency in a 750 PDEW market (MIALON, which on Saturdays next winter will see two AA 77Ws, an AA 772, a BA 380, a BA 744, a BA 772, a VS 744 and a VS 333) it's perfectly cool.
 
But sure, let's make pretend it is all because AA is scared by Delta.

duh! Jesus is scared of Delta......