A&e's New Series Airline

[mga707]

What's with the rerun tonight?

Good thing I stayed up...only the SECOND episode tonight was a repeat.
The first half was new. That lovely babe with the mother issues was a real piece of work... <_<

 

[KCFlyer]

What's with the rerun tonight?

Good thing I stayed up...only the SECOND episode tonight was a repeat.
The first half was new. That lovely babe with the mother issues was a real piece of work... <_<

Did you notice that that lovely babe was from Colorado...a state SWA doesn't serve? And she was toting along a Louis Vuiton bag? I wonder what airline she flew into LAX, and I wonder if she had curlers in her hair on that flight. And most "white trash" doesn't use the f-word at their own mother. Should she represent the "class" of passengers on other airlines? But hey...she DID have an LV bag...

 

[WNrforlife]

SWAFA30 - WNforLife is a troll, not an employee of Southwest. I honestly doubt that he or she is a customer of Southwest for that matter.

Nope, wrong again.

Not a troll, not even an elf or a "little person"

Just a humble, bonafied 20-year Ops agent. :huh:

 

[mga707]

Just a quick 'heads up' for those of you (like me) who record the show due to it's late airtime in your area (us poor MST folks with West Coast cable feed):
According to the "Airline" preview blurb in today's Rapid Rewards e-mail, next Monday's two shows will be a continuation of this week's pattern--a new episode followed by a repeat (of episode #2). Wonder if this will be the norm from here on out?
So, you only need to tape the first one!

 

[swagalleyhag]

KCFlyer wrote:

You sort of tipped your hand to your lack of knowledge about the situation. For starters, it's already IN arbitration. Your comments are not meant for support - only "rouse the rabble".

I don't know if anyone replied to this already, but TWU 556 isn't in arbitration. We are in mediation. If we don't come to an agreement in mediation, the mediator will offer us binding arbitration which must be agreed to by both parties. Our Negotiating Team has already stated that we will say no to that. Arbitration takes the Contract out of the hands of the Flight Attendants and takes away their vote. Our Leadership won't accept it.

If we can't come to an agreement in mediation, we'll reject the offer of binding arbitration, and move on to the 30-day cooling off period under the RLA. If we can't come to an agreement before the end of the 30-day cooling off period, both sides will move on to "self help" (possible strike, other work action, or lockout) unless Bush steps in and puts us in a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB).

Just wanted to clear that up.

 

[diverboy]

I don't know if anyone replied to this already, but TWU 556 isn't in arbitration. We are in mediation. If we don't come to an agreement in mediation, the mediator will offer us binding arbitration which must be agreed to by both parties. Our Negotiating Team has already stated that we will say no to that. Arbitration takes the Contract out of the hands of the Flight Attendants and takes away their vote. Our Leadership won't accept it.

If we can't come to an agreement in mediation, we'll reject the offer of binding arbitration, and move on to the 30-day cooling off period under the RLA. If we can't come to an agreement before the end of the 30-day cooling off period, both sides will move on to "self help" (possible strike, other work action, or lockout) unless Bush steps in and puts us in a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB).

Just wanted to clear that up.

Neither this BBS, or the A&E website is a appropriate place to be discussing things of this nature. And I'm pretty sure that's per union request.

 

[SWAFA30]

I don't know if anyone replied to this already, but TWU 556 isn't in arbitration. We are in mediation. If we don't come to an agreement in mediation, the mediator will offer us binding arbitration which must be agreed to by both parties. Our Negotiating Team has already stated that we will say no to that. Arbitration takes the Contract out of the hands of the Flight Attendants and takes away their vote. Our Leadership won't accept it.

If we can't come to an agreement in mediation, we'll reject the offer of binding arbitration, and move on to the 30-day cooling off period under the RLA. If we can't come to an agreement before the end of the 30-day cooling off period, both sides will move on to "self help" (possible strike, other work action, or lockout) unless Bush steps in and puts us in a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB).

Just wanted to clear that up.

Neither this BBS, or the A&E website is a appropriate place to be discussing things of this nature. And I'm pretty sure that's per union request.

I HAVE heard union leadership request that we conduct any online discussions about the contract in a respectful manner, however I have NOT heard any specific edicts prohibiting rank and file from discussing the negotiations in cyberspace. I don't think they could even if they wanted to....this is still a free country. While this board is the place to discuss the goings on at SWA....I do agree that the A&E "Airline" board is not necessarily the best forum. I do though understand the urge to jump in on the conversations over on the A&E board. The underlying message "Airline" is trying to convey is that all is well with SWA and it's employees when in actuality, with regard to the largest labor group at the company, nothing could be further from the truth. All is most definitely NOT well between Southwest and it's flight attendants. That is simply a fact.

 

[diverboy]

I'm just saying there's a tactful way of doing things. As a provisioning agent, I support the FA's even though I personally feel that some of the things you guys are asking for are just nuts. I have many friends who are FA's and have debated. We just agree to disagree on some points. I totally agree that there's no reason for you all to eat in between flights or inflight over the trash can. That just sucks.

 

[swagalleyhag]

Diverboy,

I was replying to another posting in this thread that had some inaccurate information in it.

I am curious as to what you think we might be asking for that is "just nuts"?

 

[SWAFA30]

I'm just saying there's a tactful way of doing things. As a provisioning agent, I support the FA's even though I personally feel that some of the things you guys are asking for are just nuts. I have many friends who are FA's and have debated. We just agree to disagree on some points. I totally agree that there's no reason for you all to eat in between flights or inflight over the trash can. That just sucks.

Part of the problem is that people who don't do our jobs feel compelled to give us input as to what we should or should not ask for in our contract negotiations.

Let's take provo for instance. Sometimes one agent will work the aft galley, sometimes two. Let's say Provo is in contract negotiations and one of the things the company is asking for is a language in their contract that states that all galleys will be be provisioned by one agent and one agent alone, never two. The company has all kinds of statistics to show how it could be done and how much $$$$ we would save. I speak to a few provo agents and they tell me how unfair it is that the company wants them to commit to always working solo and they feel very passionate about the issue. Well since I have watched a single provo agent provision my aft galley on more than one occasion, I might begin to think that the company's request is reasonable and that the provo agents are just being stubborn. There is only one problem. I HAVE NEVER BEEN A PROVO AGENT. There are many facets to that job that occur outside of my view so there is no way I could be privvy to them or understand how they may impact the things the company is asking them to do. In short, though I think I have all the facts, I don't. Even though I come in contact with them on a regular basis, even if some of them are good friends, I can never truly understand their job unless I have done their job...day in...day out...year in and year out. For me to tell them under what circumstances they should or should not do their job or how much they should or should not be paid to do their job would be arrogant and condescending. I understand, appreciate, and respect the fact that noone is in a better position to decide what is right for their workgroup than those who are actually members of said workgroup. Sometimes you really do have to walk a mile in a man's shoes.

 

[skycruiser]

I'm just saying there's a tactful way of doing things. As a provisioning agent, I support the FA's even though I personally feel that some of the things you guys are asking for are just nuts. I have many friends who are FA's and have debated. We just agree to disagree on some points. I totally agree that there's no reason for you all to eat in between flights or inflight over the trash can. That just sucks.

Two questions.
1) Is your group organized?
2) If yes, would you vote NO for increased benifits, pay and quality of life on a new contract?

 

[KCFlyer]

Two questions.
1) Is your group organized?
2) If yes, would you vote NO for increased benifits, pay and quality of life on a new contract?

I'll make a deal witcha skycruiser...having not walked a mile in a Southwest Airlines FA's shoes, I'll refrain from posting what I think about their negotiations. If you, never having walked a mile in a Southwest Airlines FA's shoes, also refrain from posting how bad their work conditions are. Deal?

 

[KCFlyer]

The underlying message "Airline" is trying to convey is that all is well with SWA and it's employees when in actuality, with regard to the largest labor group at the company, nothing could be further from the truth.

Gotta disagree here. I haven't noticed any undertones of painting a picture of the labor relations at the airline in this program. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that A&E would rather NOT focus on labor issues and stick to showing what airline employees face in a day to day situation.

 

[SWAFA30]

Gotta disagree here. I haven't noticed any undertones of painting a picture of the labor relations at the airline in this program. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that A&E would rather NOT focus on labor issues and stick to showing what airline employees face in a day to day situation.

My assertion comes from me, as a flight attendant watching "Airline" with an extremely jaundiced eye. It is beyond infuriating to watch the show feature us as singing and dancing when nowadays we are much more likely to be found picketing and rallying. My perception is that the viewer will come away from the program thinking that I, as a flight attendant, have an overall positive outlook on this company. Right now, I most certainly do not.

 

[KCFlyer]

My assertion comes from me, as a flight attendant watching "Airline" with an extremely jaundiced eye. It is beyond infuriating to watch the show feature us as singing and dancing when nowadays we are much more likely to be found picketing and rallying. My perception is that the viewer will come away from the program thinking that I, as a flight attendant, have an overall positive outlook on this company. Right now, I most certainly do not.

And I'll submit to you that you saw 3 FA's singing and dancing. Now, as I submit to the folks who seem intent on claiming that the handful (and a small handful at that) of "less than desirable" passengers does not typify the typical Southwest passenger, I also doubt that 3 FA's singing represents all of the SWA flight attendants.