460 jets ordered

http://www.apfa.org/content/category/9/17/626/

Glading, shareholders care about performance and longer stability but not the contract for APFA members. Last I checked other carriers that have declared BK have still placed large aircraft orders so its not as if FA concessions made the order possible. If anything 5-7 years after a filing AA would be in a more competitive position to access credit markets.

Wow. She doesn't seem to understand that the company is pursuing the fleet renewal (and expansion) to reduce operating costs and improve its overall position by using it as justification for a new contract. AA has made their offer public and the FAs don't like it. Banks, manufacturers, and others will provide financing for capital such as aircraft and facilities but not for payroll. Besides hasn't Glading stated that they are largely in accord with the company on many of the outstanding articles?

Josh

Quite obvious that you don't understand labor positions regarding this announcement....while we applaud managements choice to improve the fleet, thus reducing costs, unhappy employees ultimately translates into "unhappy" customers.

Even brand new airplanes break down.....labor is still needed to fix them, fly them, and F/A's to assist your behind "just in case one decides to head south". You, and others just don't get it!

It would be beneficial to the BOD and Shareholders to have happy employee's, don't you!!
 
The cynic in me says that a subset of AMR's employees weren't happy when they were among the best paid, so where's the proof that giving raises would really make much of a difference? People regularly grumbled about their profit sharing checks were too small... never mind the fact that nobody had even seen a profit sharing check before the late 1980's...
 
The cynic in me says that a subset of AMR's employees weren't happy when they were among the best paid, so where's the proof that giving raises would really make much of a difference? People regularly grumbled about their profit sharing checks were too small... never mind the fact that nobody had even seen a profit sharing check before the late 1980's...
I hate to be the one to provide you breaking news, BUT

the place was more tolerable and the guys actually had more pride and integrity in their work.....i.e. We gave a sh&t!!!

2003 was a game changer for the worse, and the concessions ripped the integrity and pride right out of the AMT.

AMT's will always do what's necessary to protect their A&P, but I can CARE LESS if AA "flies at dawn", high noon or dusk.

It can all change for the better if AA get's off it's high horse for concessions and starts rewarding the front-line employees, so WE can "take care of the customers", again.
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMR-Corporation-Announces-prnews-3494254702.html?x=0&.v=1
Flight Service update just indicated we have now 8 777-300's on order. Last I saw, it was six. A few more 777-200's on order as well. Great news!!
 
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The cynic in me says that a subset of AMR's employees weren't happy when they were among the best paid, so where's the proof that giving raises would really make much of a difference? People regularly grumbled about their profit sharing checks were too small... never mind the fact that nobody had even seen a profit sharing check before the late 1980's...

You couldn't be more wrong. Do you remember the "ON TIME MACHINE" campaign that ran thru most of the 80's? Where AA had the best on time numbers?
Remember that, Eric?
Employees made that happen.... Employees cared a whole lot more about an on time depature then..... We were treated wAAy better then... Employees literally ran to make that on time depature happen.

This was before the raping occured and AA's introduction of the GESTAPO-ISH secret service arm of AMR....HUMAN RESOURCES....
In the good old days, employee discipline was left of to the deparmental manager...Not a few suits and skirts whose only function is to protect AA's liability...

As for people grumbling...that's human nature...some people are NEVER satisfied, no matter what.
But over all, AA was a mighty enjoyable place to work for a long time.
 
Flight Service update just indicated we have now 8 777-300's on order. Last I saw, it was six. A few more 777-200's on order as well. Great news!!

That's two more 77Ws ordered, but the 777-200ERs were ordered before September 11, 2001 and have been deferred for the past decade - they've been mentioned in the pending orders ever since. They're scheduled for delivery starting in 2013 but word is they will eventually be changed to orders for more 77Ws.
 
I sure hope we can get some more wide bodies back to BOS-I flying when they arrive. The 757L is just a miserable plane to work in travel on. It's all we have right now.
 
I sure hope we can get some more wide bodies back to BOS-I flying when they arrive. The 757L is just a miserable plane to work in travel on. It's all we have right now.

Agreed. No more 763s only 75L to CDG and LHR. Hopefully the 763s, 777s or eventually 787 Dreamliner will be at Logan. 763 to LAX has been gone for nearly a year as well.The 75Ls are awful from a customers standpoint and not pleasent for the FAs either. I've wondered how the FAs feel about the fact that the 75L does not support duty free sales. Sure it's not much income foregone but even $25-30 per trip quickly adds up over a year and among the international FAs working the route. I think that would be a legitimate grievance from APFA since FAs have no input or recourse if AA changes equipment on the route.


Josh
 
You couldn't be more wrong. Do you remember the "ON TIME MACHINE" campaign that ran thru most of the 80's? Where AA had the best on time numbers?

Sure, I remember. I even still have a few buttons sitting around in a box from back then.

But we were all 20 years younger, the airline was growing, and we were receiving profit sharing checks. My "thanks for a good job" letter from Crandall is also sitting somewhere in a box. In a lot of ways, AA was an upstart back then given that it essentially doubled in size from 1981 to 1991.

Fast forward just a couple years, and you had the flight attendant's strike, the pilot's strike, and lots of chest thumping from the TWU in 1989. Crandall had to stop making his Motel Six comparisons to Continental because AA's ontime was no longer a sure thing.

2003 wasn't when the bad attitudes started to outnumber the good attitudes. It started some 10 years before that.
 
I wouldn't get too excited about the A320 or even the A319 replacing RJ's anywhere.

That is straight from the mouth of management. Even today John Hale on his conference call said that ORD was a big target for the "gap jet" due to the miserable failure of the RJ experiment in ORD.

Apparently the A318 issue is still up in the air. There was nothing in the earnings call about it, nor was there anything in the slide presentation mentioning A318s. However, Hale did mention them on his call today and talked about them being in the "100 seat range."
 
Do you think it's just a coincidence that the company misses earnings and announces a huge A/C order on the same day?

Talk about accountability deflection 101.

It's like a 72 out of fuel @ cruise. Glides like a well thrown crow bar.
 
You couldn't be more wrong. Do you remember the "ON TIME MACHINE" campaign that ran thru most of the 80's? Where AA had the best on time numbers?
Remember that, Eric?
Employees made that happen.... Employees cared a whole lot more about an on time depature then..... We were treated wAAy better then... Employees literally ran to make that on time depature happen.

This was before the raping occured and AA's introduction of the GESTAPO-ISH secret service arm of AMR....HUMAN RESOURCES....
In the good old days, employee discipline was left of to the deparmental manager...Not a few suits and skirts whose only function is to protect AA's liability...

As for people grumbling...that's human nature...some people are NEVER satisfied, no matter what.
But over all, AA was a mighty enjoyable place to work for a long time.
Yea we did have fun but we used to refer to the 10 as "The Over-Time Machine"!! :D
 
Delivery schedule for the narrow bodies.

http://www.bizjournals.com/mobile/dallas/news/2011/07/25/American-details-delivery.html?ana=yfcpc
 

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