460 FA's Recalled

[Hopeful]

Hopeful, your comment was uncalled for. 460 coming back might get you arse off reserve. One day you might be walking in our shoes. Be happy that you will finally see some movement in YOUR seniority.

I'll tell you what's uncalled for. Native TWA mechanics at JFK continually telling native AA mechanics how they are still in the legal system fighting to get full seniority. And how they can't wait to bounce our asses back to midnight shift and such.
I am tired of hearing how AAers should put ourselves in the TWA people's shoes.

HAVE ANY TWAers PUT THEMSELVES IN OUR SHOES??????????????
BY FATE WE WORKED FOR A FINANCIALLY STRONG COMPANY WHICH PURCHASED AN AILING COMPANY.

THATS THE WAY IT IS..

AND BEFORE YOU TELL ME TO "PUT IT TO REST", TELL YOUR FELLOW TWAERS TO PUT THEIR LAWSUITS TO REST.

NOW TELL ME, IS THAT ALL NECESSARY?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

galleyguy4u2,

You just got a "####-Slappin" from Hopeful !!

OUCH

 

[nbmcg01]

galleyguy4u2,

You just got a "####-Slappin" from Hopeful !!

OUCH

It is not like any of us had any control over that decision. Trust me, there are as many of us that said, "I wish it hadn't happened". But it did, so now we make the best of the situation and 460 willing and experienced f/as will be returning to hopefully ease the reassignments, and reserve lists. These are all people who want to be there so my guess is the transition will go just as smoothly as it did for the first 200.

 

[aafsc]

I don't believe Dixie can accept recall and assignment to a different base and remain STL chair, but I wouldn't bet the house on that feeling. We should know shortly.

In the meantime, look for TWA to be a substantial minority at LGA within months; maybe even with enough clout to swing an election one way or the other.

MK

TWA minority in LGA within months? What happened to the "we are now all AA flight attendants" mantra?

 

[kirkpatrick]

TWA minority in LGA within months? What happened to the "we are now all AA flight attendants" mantra?

We ARE all AA FA's. But I don't expect the Trans Carib, AirCal or Reno people to forget their roots, and I certainly don't intend to forget mine. As much as I'm looking forward to meeting and flying with the AA people at LGA, it will be nice to have a few hundred of the old familiar faces around to help ease the transition.

I'm sure that several hundred of the original AA FA's at LGA who no longer have to fly reserve will be happy, as well as those whose transfers out were triggered by the recall.

MK

 

[jimntx]

TWA minority in LGA within months? What happened to the "we are now all AA flight attendants" mantra?

Why not? The fact that they were all wearing AA uniforms, receiving AA paychecks, and paying dues to the AApfa at the time they were furloughed doesn't seem to cut any slack with the nAAtives. How many years ago did AMR buy Reno Air? But, just the other day I heard a co-worker say, "Well, you know she is a Reno Air flight attendant."

My fellow nAAtives insist on referring to the former TWA flight attendants as TWA flight attendants; so, why shouldn't they think of themselves that way? Every day I hear AA employees use the term TWA flight attendants when referring to the returning furloughees, or read it on this and similar boards.

You can't have it both ways where you get to call someone by a "derogatory" term, but they can't use that term to refer to themselves. "TWA f/a" is not a derogatory term; in fact, based on my experience as a passenger all the years I worked for Texaco, I would say it is a compliment of the highest order. But, nAAtive employees use it as a derogatory term.

 

[aafsc]

We ARE all AA FA's. But I don't expect the Trans Carib, AirCal or Reno people to forget their roots, and I certainly don't intend to forget mine. As much as I'm looking forward to meeting and flying with the AA people at LGA, it will be nice to have a few hundred of the old familiar faces around to help ease the transition.

I'm sure that several hundred of the original AA FA's at LGA who no longer have to fly reserve will be happy, as well as those whose transfers out were triggered by the recall.

MK

I have never heard anyone from Trans Carib, AirCal, or Reno go and and on about their former employers. AA merged with these companies (TWA was an asset purchase) and their employees assimilated into AA and were grateful for the benefits they received. I do not recall them ever wanting to form a minority voting block in a base in order to "swing an election".

 

[aafsc]

Why not? The fact that they were all wearing AA uniforms, receiving AA paychecks, and paying dues to the AApfa at the time they were furloughed doesn't seem to cut any slack with the nAAtives. How many years ago did AMR buy Reno Air? But, just the other day I heard a co-worker say, "Well, you know she is a Reno Air flight attendant."

My fellow nAAtives insist on referring to the former TWA flight attendants as TWA flight attendants; so, why shouldn't they think of themselves that way? Every day I hear AA employees use the term TWA flight attendants when referring to the returning furloughees, or read it on this and similar boards.

You can't have it both ways where you get to call someone by a "derogatory" term, but they can't use that term to refer to themselves. "TWA f/a" is not a derogatory term; in fact, based on my experience as a passenger all the years I worked for Texaco, I would say it is a compliment of the highest order. But, nAAtive employees use it as a derogatory term.

Even if nAAtives never referred to them as TWA or ex-TWA but as AA, THEY THEMSELVES would still say they were/are TWA. TWA was a great airline in the "golden age of aviation" (as was PA, EA, and Braniff) but the "golden age" of air travel is long gone. TWA started to deteriorate in the 1980s and finally perished after 3 bankruptcies. Mentally, they can't accept the fact that TWA has been relegated to the scrap heap of airline history which explains why they think the should "have it all" at AA at the expense of AA employees. They behave as if TWA purchased AA !!

 

[jimntx]

Why are you so bent out of shape? Did some former TWA employee not express their undying gratitude to you in a manner you felt appropriate?

By the way. Here's something to make you really upset. AMR upped their offer for TWA above the original offer because Boeing was also considering buying TWA. You can't blame the TWA employees for the fact that AMR was determined to buy TWA.

 

[eolesen]

You know, I never once heard any of the people who came to AA from the LHR transfer referred to as "former TWA" and I never heard any of the peope who came to AA from the EAL South America transfer referred to as "former Eastern"...

The big difference in each of those transactions? There was no arguing over seniority because the majority of the employees were non-union, and those who were unionized didn't have to go thru any seniority integration with a larger US workgroup.

 

[aafsc]

Why are you so bent out of shape? Did some former TWA employee not express their undying gratitude to you in a manner you felt appropriate?

No, they just do the opposite. They come to AA, get top legacy pay, a pension with other retirement benefits, DEMAND their TWA seniority, then curse the nAAtives when they don't get it. They should express their gratitude to the nAAtives on a daily basis; they have what they have BECAUSE of the nAAtives.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

TWA minority in LGA within months? What happened to the "we are now all AA flight attendants" mantra?

People like Nancy McGuire only use that argument when it's convenient for them.

 

[aafsc]

Why are you so bent out of shape? Did some former TWA employee not express their undying gratitude to you in a manner you felt appropriate?

By the way. Here's something to make you really upset. AMR upped their offer for TWA above the original offer because Boeing was also considering buying TWA. You can't blame the TWA employees for the fact that AMR was determined to buy TWA.

And you can't penalize the nAAtives that they did.

AA upped the offer for TWA in order to provide them with more cash until closing; TWA had very quickly burned through the original DIP amount.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

No, they just do the opposite. They come to AA, get top legacy pay, a pension with other retirement benefits, DEMAND their TWA seniority, then curse the nAAtives when they don't get it. The should express their gratitude to the nAAtives on a daily basis; they have what they have BECAUSE of the nAAtives.

Exactly. Well said.

 

[kirkpatrick]

I have never heard anyone from Trans Carib, AirCal, or Reno go and and on about their former employers.

Why don't you wait and see if I go "on and on" before predicting it?

I do not recall them ever wanting to form a minority voting block in a base in order to "swing an election".

With only a few months recall rights left, I doubt it we'll ever comprise more than 5% of the work force, and our advanced age means higher than normal attrition from our group in the next couple of years. No one has anything to fear from our numbers, and one thing you'll never see is any change in the seniority issue.

It was the TWA block vote for THB that swang the election her way, although I admit it was more to get JW out than to get her in. I think it might be nice to have at least one former TWA on the board just to keep things interesting. Variety is the spice of life.

MK